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Jewish people accept Leviticus as the word of God, spoken to Moses on mount Sinai. However, most Christians accept the book as a collection of rules, not written by one hand, and meant to prepare the world for the coming of Jesus.

Consequently, in Epistle to the Hebrews the superiority of the New testament over the old is emphasized, and so for those who believe in the teachings of Jesus, Leviticus is of historical importance, but certainly not to be followed literally.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07181a.htm

   

I agree. Most christians try to live by the spirit of the bible/religion and not the letter of it.

They aren't the ones bombing abortion clinics or condemning homosexuality as a deadly sin.

Although they represent the vast majority of christians they don't get the press the bad ones, like pat robertson, do. Thats a media reality and a fault of our lifestyle.

Similiarily its the muslim extremists that get the press and because its not a part of the western lifestyle we only get the bad press. We get the "everyone must convert to islam or die" news yet I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of western people are unaware that christians have lived along sides muslims in Iraq for centuries. They were persecuted under Saddam but in the same way the rest of the population was.

The problem is one of ignorance. It usually is.

Take Wiccan. Since christianity has first encountered it they have made every possible attempt to stamp it out using the most violent means. Even today most christians view it as a satanic ritual invloving child sacrifice and deals with the devil.

Pure ignorance. Nothing is further from the truth. They have been taught that it was though and they teach their children.

   

Yah me too.

The article in this case only serves to underscore that there should be solid line that seperates the church and state, tht means any church. PErsonally i believe the bible the torah and the Koran to be pieces of historical fiction, not as accurate events in history that can be verfied, at least in terms of the supernatural.

   

One problem with Islam is that the Koran was written in a period of all out war, most of the quotes which are taken out of context are pertaining to conduct during wartime. However, many passages from the book make it clear that war is for self defence only:

And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
(2:190)

and

Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.(4:90)

During a "Jihad", conduct is permissibly different:

And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can overcome. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all you can by armed force...(Quran; Surah 8:59-60a)

This is why extremist propagandists of the faith are always making reference to the fact that this is a Jihad. It is a call to arms for moderate Muslims.
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer ... ision=div1

   

Im saying that one can look at virtually any religious text and find elements in it that speak of the justification of murder, incest, destruction of cities, town or entire peoples that are based upon anything more than - 'god said its ok"

When Jehova, Allah or L Ron Hubbard themselves come down from the heavens and lays it out for us face-to-face on national TV is the day i might start listening, umtil then they Flying Spaghetti Monster has as much relevance as those other guys

   

The history of the bible happened way before Mu was rattling around robbing, raping murdering and pilaging across what is now known as Saudi Arabia.

His quotes and his SATANIC VERSES prove that he had very little knowledge of the bible. So they are not comparitable, just as you can't compare any cult to the bible teachings.

The difference with the Muslim Cult is that they honour a MOON GOD, Allah and were decendants of rock worshippers. In fact, Mu's grandaddy was Grand Pobah of the rocks and people would come to worship them, the largest rock, believed to be a meterorite, was called Allah, the Moon God.

The difference between The Law of Islam and other religious-type followings of our world is that they issue FATWA'S agains INFIDELS meaning non-Muslims. In addition, they teach hatred to children, promoting games and toys that are about murder, assualt, torture and robbery in the name of Allah the Moon God.

This translate to real life, when journalists, scientists, and engineers have been kidnapped and SOMETIMES following torture they are given a chance to live by proclaiming their God to be that of Allah the Moon God.

But there is no other following that issues death in FATWAS to those who do not share their belief to follow a ROCK.

And Derby what on earth are you quoting from, because the bible makes sense of every one of these little bits you have assembled, Jesus came and gave his life for everyone and all of the sinful behaviour that had gone on...to save us from false prophets claiming the right to issue fatwas.

In short the Quran is a terrorism handbook to aid in the creation of FATWAS. The good news is that every Muslim can achieve the same status as Christians in being saved by the sacrific made by Jesus, but unfortunatley for some, in these intolerant countries they will be imprisioned and tortured and murdered for this choice.

   

I'm content to sit back and watch.

   

Agreed Bart! Where's the popcorn eating smiley when you need it?

   

DERBY, you are going by the OLD COVENANT, that has been done away with. Catholics were the only ones that used those scriptures, to there own advantage, don't mix the NEW COVENANT Christians, Biblical Chrsitians, with that, Please. Catholics call themselves Christians, which they are not. They pray to, worship Mary and the Saints. They should call themselves Maryians, Saintians.

   

I am so going to sit back and watch too. This debate seems much more unbiased then any of the debates I have seen before. By, putting in my opinion, I will taint it. Keep going guys, I will step in the minute everybody turns against Islam again.

   

Ezekiel 33:11
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I HAVE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

   

The story of the Prodigal son,,,,,17"When he came to his senses, he said, 'How many of my father's hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.' 20So he got up and went to his father.
"But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him<<LOOKING FOR HIM, and was filled with compassion for him; he RAN to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21"The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.[a]'

22"But the father said to his servants, 'Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let's have a feast and celebrate. 24For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate. that is where God's heart is right , now.

   

scrappy said,
"the problem with Islam is that the Imams have to much power to interpred the Koran and if he chooses he can lead an entire congregation down the path of Extremism. Imams are not usually open to confrontation from the flock. I'd like to see more Muslims interpred the Koran themselves ...'

The problem with this theory is that the Quran is translated to be violent, to promote hatred and intolerance, to accept that women are half of a man, that it is okay to beat your wife, or slave, or 12 year old child bride. So the imams are simply following the teachings, and these are the teachings. So even if a "mainstream" Muslim takes to his Quran, the messages are all about these beforementioned teachings. Even peace is taught as a way to manipulate and trick people into thinking you , as a muslim are their friend. It firmly instructs the muslim to NEVER accept non-muslims as friends. Further it goes on and on about hatred and disrespect and intolerance, it promotes rape, pilage and torture, not to mention murder to all infidels.

So how does this Quran work for any "mainstream islamist", since the very teachings are extreme???

   

The same can be said of the bible if you consider the period when the Christians burned witches, expanded the church via the sword and the times of the inquisition etc.

Bottomline, politics and religion do not mix. The real problem facing us is 'Political Islam'. When a holy book written centuries ago IS the 'constitution', then there will not be room for freedom of thought. Its immaterial if the book is the Vedas, the Quran, the Bible or the Torah. Under such conditions the the book is not open to critical analysis...and the theocrat in power has all the reason to keep it that way. Imagine if the constitution of a country could never be amended. It would hardly be able to adapt to changing times.
e.g of important amendments to the US constitution:
The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

There is no room for such ammendments in 'political islam/christianity/hinduism' etc.

'Political islam' is the bane of our civilization. 'Political Islam' is exactly what the radicals want. The sooner its done away with the better. I hope the muslims across the world do whats needed themselves before the west tries to enforce the change (which I do support but cannot see it being fruitful).

   

DON"T YOU EVER MIX CHRISTIANS with CATHOLIC"S with their inquisition. catholics has been using that name christian, which they are clearly not. they pray to, and worship Mary, and the Saint's.

   

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