Catholic archbishop forced us out: gay couple
Blue_Nose @ Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:12 pm
While homo-weddings are the hot topic:
$1:
A Roman Catholic couple has joined the United Church after the Catholic archbishop denied them communion because of their same-sex wedding.
Daniel Poirier and Jack Murphy, of Meteghan Centre, were married last spring and announced their wedding with a photograph in the newspaper.
Murphy and Poirier, both 69, have been together for seven years. They say residents and parishioners at Stella Maris church accept them as a couple.
But that wedding photo caught the attention of Archbishop Terrence Prendergast, who they believe forced them out of the church.
"We are not the scandal, he is," Poirier said.
The couple learned from their local priest that Prendergast had said they could no longer receive communion or hold a leadership position.
For Poirier, this meant giving up his role as choir director.
The men have since joined the Deacon United Church in Yarmouth, but once a month they go back to Stella Maris.
"The hardest thing is when people go to communion and we have to sit down," said Poirier, who would normally be rehearsing the choir at this time of year for the Christmas mass.
"It breaks my heart to hear that music and I can't be part of it."
Conflict with doctrine
When Murphy lived in the United States for 10 years with his partner, who died of cancer, he chose not to get communion because he thought it was in conflict with Catholic doctrine.
"Ultimately, I got to believe it wasn't," Murphy said. "For me, the eucharist is the centre of my faith."
The couple met with Prendergast to argue their case, but Murphy said it was clear the archbishop wasn't going to change his mind when he said the men should do what Jesus said to the prostitutes: sin no more.
"I was very angry at that because Danny and I are not prostitutes. We love and are committed to each other," Murphy said.
The next day they got a letter officially declaring they would be allowed to take communion only if they led a celibate life.
Prendergast is out of the country and a spokeswoman for the Halifax archdiocese told CBC News that church officials do not comment on individual cases.
Archbishop responsible for church teachings
But the archbishop is responsible to uphold the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, according to a statement issued Thursday.
In addition, it said, "those who make public announcements that they are living in a manner completely contrary to the teaching of the Church cannot expect to receive Holy Communion unless there is a change in their situation."
Murphy and Poirier say they will always be Catholic, but they don't agree with the church's stance on sexuality.
The say they like their new church and both have joined the choir.
"The big difference is there there's not a wall between the altar and us," Murphy said.
They hope to one day get married in the United Church.
Daniel Poirier and Jack Murphy, of Meteghan Centre, were married last spring and announced their wedding with a photograph in the newspaper.
Murphy and Poirier, both 69, have been together for seven years. They say residents and parishioners at Stella Maris church accept them as a couple.
But that wedding photo caught the attention of Archbishop Terrence Prendergast, who they believe forced them out of the church.
"We are not the scandal, he is," Poirier said.
The couple learned from their local priest that Prendergast had said they could no longer receive communion or hold a leadership position.
For Poirier, this meant giving up his role as choir director.
The men have since joined the Deacon United Church in Yarmouth, but once a month they go back to Stella Maris.
"The hardest thing is when people go to communion and we have to sit down," said Poirier, who would normally be rehearsing the choir at this time of year for the Christmas mass.
"It breaks my heart to hear that music and I can't be part of it."
Conflict with doctrine
When Murphy lived in the United States for 10 years with his partner, who died of cancer, he chose not to get communion because he thought it was in conflict with Catholic doctrine.
"Ultimately, I got to believe it wasn't," Murphy said. "For me, the eucharist is the centre of my faith."
The couple met with Prendergast to argue their case, but Murphy said it was clear the archbishop wasn't going to change his mind when he said the men should do what Jesus said to the prostitutes: sin no more.
"I was very angry at that because Danny and I are not prostitutes. We love and are committed to each other," Murphy said.
The next day they got a letter officially declaring they would be allowed to take communion only if they led a celibate life.
Prendergast is out of the country and a spokeswoman for the Halifax archdiocese told CBC News that church officials do not comment on individual cases.
Archbishop responsible for church teachings
But the archbishop is responsible to uphold the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, according to a statement issued Thursday.
In addition, it said, "those who make public announcements that they are living in a manner completely contrary to the teaching of the Church cannot expect to receive Holy Communion unless there is a change in their situation."
Murphy and Poirier say they will always be Catholic, but they don't agree with the church's stance on sexuality.
The say they like their new church and both have joined the choir.
"The big difference is there there's not a wall between the altar and us," Murphy said.
They hope to one day get married in the United Church.
The church has every right to make such a choice, however untasteful.
hwacker @ Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:27 pm
$1:
Archbishop responsible for church teachings
and a smart man also.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:44 pm
It's Adam and Eve, ...........not Adam and Steve. Or Amanda and Eve
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:51 pm
At least Catholics will stand up to this Gay baloney, and abortion. I agree with them 100%.
Tman1 @ Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:16 pm
I'm sure God in all his omniscience and glory doesn't care if two same-sex people like each other (love is love right?). There was plenty even before Christianity.
Oreo @ Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:20 am
How quick we are to forget all the Catholic priests who molested and are stil molesting those inocent children........
Who really cares what the church says...........let people be people.
Biblical_Christian @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:40 am
Tman1 Tman1:
I'm sure God in all his omniscience and glory doesn't care if two same-sex people like each other (love is love right?). There was plenty even before Christianity.
Before Christianity, would be,,,,let's see, Sodom and Gomorrah got judged by God. It was completely burned up. Both cities, or was it a terrorist bombing? Yeah right.
Brenda @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:06 am
$1:
The next day they got a letter officially declaring they would be allowed to take communion only if they led a celibate life.
This is the part I find disgusting. So they CAN be part of the church, and take communion, AND live together and be married, but not have sex? So what really is this about?
Biblical_Christian @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:11 am
Yes, it is confusing, I don'tknow how the CAtholics operate. Good question. Ice karma would probably know.
Clogeroo @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:15 am
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This is the part I find disgusting. So they CAN be part of the church, and take communion, AND live together and be married, but not have sex? So what really is this about?
Not using the back door to the house?
Biblical_Christian @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:19 am
Brenda Brenda:
$1:
The next day they got a letter officially declaring they would be allowed to take communion only if they led a celibate life.
This is the part I find disgusting. So they CAN be part of the church, and take communion, AND live together and be married, but not have sex? So what really is this about?
Brenda @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:25 am
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
This is the part I find disgusting. So they CAN be part of the church, and take communion, AND live together and be married, but not have sex? So what really is this about?
Not using the back door to the house?
Who's gonna check?
Wada @ Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:20 am
Brenda Brenda:
Clogeroo Clogeroo:
$1:
This is the part I find disgusting. So they CAN be part of the church, and take communion, AND live together and be married, but not have sex? So what really is this about?
Not using the back door to the house?
Who's gonna check?
I've known one or two priests who would be "up" for the task.
icekarma2752 @ Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:36 pm
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
Yes, it is confusing, I don'tknow how the CAtholics operate. Good question. Ice karma would probably know.
heres the best i can do on this...i cant speak for the entire catholic community but my opinion is dont ban them from the church..is it not easier to bring someone to god if theyre at least welcome in your church??