Fake Economist Ben Stein Sues Company for Discrimination
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:32 pm
I'm not really sure why anyone is even wasting time "arguing" contract law.
Don't need a signed contract to sue for discriminatory hiring.
He was courted by Kyocera. They spent time hammering out details of his contract. I'm pretty sure Stein didn't do so without proper representation, at his expense.
Then after all that, Kyocera says, "Wait, you don't believe man is entirely responsible for global warming? Well, that's hardly the kind of spokesperson we want for printers".
In my opinion, Kyocera is pooched on this one and so is the genius that called Stein a fake economist.
OnTheIce @ Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:57 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Yeah, providing links that hyperlink to another link you post, that never stated anywhere there were contracts signed, then yelling "it won't be the first time" and when asked to back that up, telling me to do your homework, AND telling me I have no clue what I am talking about is... knowledge? Whatever.
At least I admit it when I am wrong. But you, my dear, you are full of shit. Yes.
At least I admit it when I am wrong. But you, my dear, you are full of shit. Yes.
You're talking about a Hollywood professional, been in the business 30 years, entering into a deal for 300k without a contract.
Why do you think that?
Because some "made up" stories, as you called them, didn't clearly state that there was a contract, you've taken that as gospel and run with it.
BUT YOU KNOW BEST BRENDA! It's not printed anywhere but you...you're the fuckin' expert on this shit....you have all the inside info. Ben's gonna call you for advice!
Screw the obvious. You're right, I'm wrong.
Brenda @ Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:18 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Brenda Brenda:
Yeah, providing links that hyperlink to another link you post, that never stated anywhere there were contracts signed, then yelling "it won't be the first time" and when asked to back that up, telling me to do your homework, AND telling me I have no clue what I am talking about is... knowledge? Whatever.
At least I admit it when I am wrong. But you, my dear, you are full of shit. Yes.
At least I admit it when I am wrong. But you, my dear, you are full of shit. Yes.
You're talking about a Hollywood professional, been in the business 30 years, entering into a deal for 300k without a contract.
Why do you think that?
Because some "made up" stories, as you called them, didn't clearly state that there was a contract, you've taken that as gospel and run with it.
BUT YOU KNOW BEST BRENDA! It's not printed anywhere but you...you're the fuckin' expert on this shit....you have all the inside info. Ben's gonna call you for advice!
Screw the obvious. You're right, I'm wrong.
That's all you got? Personal attacks when you can't back up your shit, while the stories you post contradict your opinion? Damn, I thought you could do better.
Tricks @ Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:00 pm
Brenda Brenda:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Brenda Brenda:
Yeah, providing links that hyperlink to another link you post, that never stated anywhere there were contracts signed, then yelling "it won't be the first time" and when asked to back that up, telling me to do your homework, AND telling me I have no clue what I am talking about is... knowledge? Whatever.
At least I admit it when I am wrong. But you, my dear, you are full of shit. Yes.
At least I admit it when I am wrong. But you, my dear, you are full of shit. Yes.
You're talking about a Hollywood professional, been in the business 30 years, entering into a deal for 300k without a contract.
Why do you think that?
Because some "made up" stories, as you called them, didn't clearly state that there was a contract, you've taken that as gospel and run with it.
BUT YOU KNOW BEST BRENDA! It's not printed anywhere but you...you're the fuckin' expert on this shit....you have all the inside info. Ben's gonna call you for advice!
Screw the obvious. You're right, I'm wrong.
That's all you got? Personal attacks when you can't back up your shit, while the stories you post contradict your opinion? Damn, I thought you could do better.
$1:
In addition to breach of contract and breach of good faith and fair dealing, Stein’s suit charges Kyocera
From the hyperlinked site. "breach of contract" means signed contract.
Brenda @ Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:21 pm
That is what his suit is about. Doesn't mean it is true. It is up to the judge to decide if there really was a contract, which is what Kyocera disputes.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
Lemmy @ Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:36 pm
I was going to add an unrelated tale about a well-known photocopy manufacturer 
and a public school board, a multi-million dollar board-wide contract for photocopiers, lobster feedbags, Caribbean cruises, kickbacks on kickbacks, but what I know and what I could prove in court, if I had to, might not be the same thing.
And, completely unrelated, I hope Stein (economist or not) soaks Kyocera for whatever he asks.
Tricks @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:32 am
Brenda Brenda:
That is what his suit is about. Doesn't mean it is true. It is up to the judge to decide if there really was a contract, which is what Kyocera disputes.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
Ben Stein isn't a dummy, he isn't going to sue someone for breach of contract without a contract existing. The judge would toss it out and charge him court fees.
OnTheIce @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:51 am
Tricks Tricks:
Brenda Brenda:
That is what his suit is about. Doesn't mean it is true. It is up to the judge to decide if there really was a contract, which is what Kyocera disputes.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
Ben Stein isn't a dummy, he isn't going to sue someone for breach of contract without a contract existing. The judge would toss it out and charge him court fees.
He must be. Since these articles don't say specifically "signed contract", that means he didn't have one.
Ask Brenda.
OnTheIce @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:58 am
Brenda Brenda:
That is what his suit is about. Doesn't mean it is true. It is up to the judge to decide if there really was a contract, which is what Kyocera disputes.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
They were in contract negotiation, is all I get from ALL 3 of OTI's links.
Doesn't say anywhere that Kyocera denied a contract existed....in fact, they've said nothing about the case at all.
raydan @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:03 am
Filed court documents...
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
OnTheIce @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:23 am
raydan raydan:
Filed court documents...
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
Really?
Perhaps we're reading a different file.
Specifically
"On February 16, 2011, defendant MILLER, President of defendant SEITER & MILLER sent Hurwitz and email headed "Ben Stein Contract"
The email said that Kyocera has decided to "withdrawal its offer" to BEN STEIN (despite the fact that there had already been offer and acceptance and change of position. i.e. a contract, not simply an offer)
Brenda @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:37 am
raydan raydan:
Filed court documents...
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
Apparently, when an email is sent that says "CONTRACT", what is in it is legal and binding. What's your email addy again, Ray?
We'll see Wednesday/Thursday what's going on.
Brenda @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:40 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
raydan raydan:
Filed court documents...
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
Really?
Perhaps we're reading a different file.
Specifically
"On February 16, 2011, defendant MILLER, President of defendant SEITER & MILLER sent Hurwitz and email headed "Ben Stein Contract"
The email said that Kyocera has decided to "withdrawal its offer" to BEN STEIN (despite the fact that there had already been offer and acceptance and change of position. i.e. a contract, not simply an offer)
I can send you an email with a contract too, if you want? I take it just sending that email with attachment makes it a done deal, without any of us signing.
OnTheIce @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:03 am
Brenda Brenda:
raydan raydan:
Filed court documents...
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
Apparently, when an email is sent that says "CONTRACT", what is in it is legal and binding. What's your email addy again, Ray?
We'll see Wednesday/Thursday what's going on.
The lawyer indicated numerous times in that document that there was a contract in place.
To clarify, you're saying the lawyer for Stein is lying?
Brenda @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:09 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Brenda Brenda:
raydan raydan:
Filed court documents...
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/f ... 2/01/1.pdf
As you can see, there is NO written contract... phone calls and emails... but no written contract.
Mind you, you could argue that there was a verbal contract/agreement, but we all know how hard those are to prove in court. Too much room for interpretation.
...I think Brenda should get a apology from all those who came down on her because she said there was no contract.
Apparently, when an email is sent that says "CONTRACT", what is in it is legal and binding. What's your email addy again, Ray?
We'll see Wednesday/Thursday what's going on.
The lawyer indicated numerous times in that document that there was a contract in place.
To clarify, you're saying the lawyer for Stein is lying?
I'm saying that we will see what the LA court thinks is a legal contract and if there is a breach of it in this case.
The funny thing in this case is the "emotional distress" they are looking to have compensated. That sounds like "grasping for straws" when you are suing for "breach of contract" and only seeking the full amount that was offered to be paid to you for work done. Why would you add that when you have a rock solid "breach of contract" case?