For God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and
FrenchPatriot @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:06 pm
For God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and immoral.
In doing so, God would be endorsing human sacrifice and the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty is good justice. He would also be condoning suicide.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psalm 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
Substitutionary atonement is immoral according to scriptures and all other holy books that I know of. I think that the guilty should be punished and not an innocent human or even a man being ridden like a mule, ---- to use common jargon, --- by a God/Jesus. This is likely the moral reason why most Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah along with the fact that Jesus did not fulfill the other Jewish requirements set by their books and myths.
People are supposed to martyr themselves for their God, not their God martyr himself for them.
Do you agree that for God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and immoral?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_fjBk ... re=related
If you believe that substitutionary atonement is moral, please provide an argument to support your position.
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There are also ample quotes in scripture that speak against God wanting any sacrifice at all and if you embrace the notion of innocent blood atonement and God setting Jesus as the ransom for sins, then please view these for the real biblical perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2 ... re=related
Regards
DL
Gunnair @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:23 pm
FrenchPatriot FrenchPatriot:
For God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and immoral.
In doing so, God would be endorsing human sacrifice and the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty is good justice. He would also be condoning suicide.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psalm 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
Substitutionary atonement is immoral according to scriptures and all other holy books that I know of. I think that the guilty should be punished and not an innocent human or even a man being ridden like a mule, ---- to use common jargon, --- by a God/Jesus. This is likely the moral reason why most Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah along with the fact that Jesus did not fulfill the other Jewish requirements set by their books and myths.
People are supposed to martyr themselves for their God, not their God martyr himself for them.
Do you agree that for God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and immoral?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_fjBk ... re=related
If you believe that substitutionary atonement is moral, please provide an argument to support your position.
===============================================
There are also ample quotes in scripture that speak against God wanting any sacrifice at all and if you embrace the notion of innocent blood atonement and God setting Jesus as the ransom for sins, then please view these for the real biblical perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2 ... re=related
Regards
DL
In doing so, God would be endorsing human sacrifice and the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty is good justice. He would also be condoning suicide.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psalm 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
Substitutionary atonement is immoral according to scriptures and all other holy books that I know of. I think that the guilty should be punished and not an innocent human or even a man being ridden like a mule, ---- to use common jargon, --- by a God/Jesus. This is likely the moral reason why most Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah along with the fact that Jesus did not fulfill the other Jewish requirements set by their books and myths.
People are supposed to martyr themselves for their God, not their God martyr himself for them.
Do you agree that for God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and immoral?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_fjBk ... re=related
If you believe that substitutionary atonement is moral, please provide an argument to support your position.
===============================================
There are also ample quotes in scripture that speak against God wanting any sacrifice at all and if you embrace the notion of innocent blood atonement and God setting Jesus as the ransom for sins, then please view these for the real biblical perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2 ... re=related
Regards
DL
Look what 'Crazy' just blew in....
martin14 @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:46 pm
Regina @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:50 pm
FrenchPatriot FrenchPatriot:
Regards
DL
DL
llama66 @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:12 pm
O good, another.
sandorski @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:00 pm
Agreed.
CanadianJeff @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:05 pm
Wow way to overstate the obvious. You always say so much and yet so little.
Brenda @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:21 pm
He's gotten more responses here than on LiveLeak:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
Jonny_C @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:29 pm
There are some people who might be happy to discuss this with you here...
http://quartermoonsaloon.com/forum/foru ... 4-Religion
Nobody in this forum seems to care much (and neither do I).
Regina @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:33 pm
Brenda Brenda:
He's gotten more responses here than on LiveLeak:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
If he keeps it up he'll get one more response.
Gunnair @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:38 pm
Regina Regina:
Brenda Brenda:
He's gotten more responses here than on LiveLeak:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
If he keeps it up he'll get one more response.
Yes...SPAM comes in many flavour....
fifeboy @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:05 pm
Someone PLEASE replace his Energisers with old carbon batteries.
FrenchPatriot @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:24 pm
Regina Regina:
Brenda Brenda:
He's gotten more responses here than on LiveLeak:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
If he keeps it up he'll get one more response.
You might note that I am trying to discuss a religious issue while the more foolish are here to, well, I don't know what they are doing and neither do they.
I do get around and the level of stupidity here seems higher than elsewhere although some are close.
Regards
DL
Brenda @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:40 pm
You can't discuss anything when people are not interested in discussing it with you.
You can call everyone who does not have any interest "stupid", but all that does, is that no one takes you seriously in other topics.
Oh wait...
CanadianJeff @ Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:48 pm
FrenchPatriot FrenchPatriot:
Regina Regina:
Brenda Brenda:
He's gotten more responses here than on LiveLeak:
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?p=1667362
If he keeps it up he'll get one more response.
You might note that I am trying to discuss a religious issue while the more foolish are here to, well, I don't know what they are doing and neither do they.
I do get around and the level of stupidity here seems higher than elsewhere although some are close.
Regards
DL
Maybe people are just tired of a one trick pony who doesn't care to ever discuss anything but one particular topic.
Also seeing as how you fail to ever participate in any other areas of the forum but the very limited one topic threads you create I'd be very careful about remarking on the general aptitude of the forum residents.