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Nono, how about this?

*drew this in about 2 minutes*

   

Blue_Nose,

You've made an a priori assumption that there are odds to be overcome in making the universe. Logically, if the universe hasn't been created, there is nothing to oppose its creation (as nothing is all that exists). If there's nothing opposing its creation, how could it possibly fail?

Therefore, any schmuck with a Lil' Deity Universe-Kit (TM) could make something out of nothing when there's nothing to oppose the something out of nothing!

Isn't that something?

   

I don't care if it was him or not, it was funny.

   

The 'odds' being considered would have to be inherent to the creator itself - in this case, the 'ultimate' personal challenge a Creator could potentially overcome would be that the Creator doesn't exist in the first place.

I have no idea if it was a serious argument when it was originally made by Douglas Gasking, but I'm simply considering it as a parody of Anselm's Argument; In short, it states that since we understand God as perfect in every conceivable way, and an imaginary God is less than perfect than a real God, to say that God is imaginary is contradictory. Badda bing, ipso facto, God must exist, if only in St. Anselm's head.

Both are circular and dumb, but I think it's a typical case of philosophers abstracting themselves out of legitimacy.

   

Thanks, but I'll just mention for the 4th or 5th time that it's an argument orignally made by Douglas Gasking

   

So if god the nonentity created the universe it (god) must have created God.
If so, does he (God) know that His existance is a whim of god.
If so, does it (god) laugh a lot.

   

Some shit to think about...

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In Practice, there is...


Saying you are doing nothing, is still in fact an action taken by an individual, so if one says they are doing nothing, they are indeed doing something.

   

:|

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*ear starts bleeding*

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*head implodes*

   

If practice makes perfect, but nobody is perfect, why practice?


^^^^

I made that one up about 4 years ago....then I nearly failed an exam

   

Everyone calls me a "Nobody".

And Nobody is perfect.

Yay.



*dies a little inside*

   

No. Nobody in your case is a proper noun, in my case isn't. So there. Die some more.

   

Blue_Nose,

But if that's the case which you're stating, it's no more advanced than school-yard kids asking if Jesus can make a rock so big that even he himself cannot lift it.

Now, if you want to go a more philosophical route, let's start with the typical example that God is perfection. So, if God is perfection, then anything else created by God must necessarily be less than perfection. This then begs the question of why perfection would seek to degrade itself by altering its own perfection. You can't improve on perfection, it's an absolute. So, if something that is perfect degrades itself into something that's not perfect, then why change anything, in this case meaning to create the universe? If something needed changing, then what was wasn't perfect with which to begin.

This is what I think about on the crapper when I don't have reading material.

   

I'm not claiming it's advanced; I read the argument and thought it was hilarious that the ontological argument could be twisted to 'prove' the contrary conclusion. This isn't supposed to be intellectual by any means - it's a mockery of the pseudo-intellectual arguments made by Aquinas, Anselm, and the like, whether that was Gasking's intent or not.

One can only assume he was bored with his perfection and needed to spice things up - still, why would a perfect being require entertainment, or desire to do anything at all? A perfect being would be perfectly content, so there was no logical reason for the universe to be made.

On another note, you could question whether God could 'hold back' his infinite wisdom to truly give humans free will - a perfect being would have perfect foresight, and would instantly know the progression of events in the universe the instant he created it.

The whole concept of a consious Creator, infintely wise and perfect, is ridiculous upon a few minutes consideration - heck, belief in a retarded Creator would make more sense.

   

Jesus?

   

Hey, where exactly is your school located....? I would be correct in saying that school is in process if I were to.... say... barge in at 11 AM?

And how many Police Officers are there?

   

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