Praying For The Apocalypse
BartSimpson @ Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:15 am
stratos stratos:
Thing is all most all Christians pray for the end times. We want to be with God in Heaven, we want to see the world of suffering end. We know that the tribulations will happen and all that. What differs us from others is we dont try to make it come about. We understand that God has his own time table and does not need us mere humans to do it for him.
Why I say all most all Christians pray for the end times. The Lords prayer has a reference in it. "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." It can be argued that its refering to Christ reign or the Fathers comeing after the 1000yrs of Christ's rule. Either way the horrors of the Apocalypse must happen prior to what is prayed for in the Lords Prayer.
Why I say all most all Christians pray for the end times. The Lords prayer has a reference in it. "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." It can be argued that its refering to Christ reign or the Fathers comeing after the 1000yrs of Christ's rule. Either way the horrors of the Apocalypse must happen prior to what is prayed for in the Lords Prayer.
The end times and etc. are in God's time and at His will. Praying for the end times is not at all Scriptural and it is antithetical to Scripture.
All you need to worry about as an individual is the simple question: Are you ready?
Praying for the end times instead of praying for personal salvation or the salvation of others is no less than worrying about the mote in someone else's eye when you have a log in your own.
BartSimpson @ Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:16 am
sandorski sandorski:
That's the thing though, the Bible talks about the End and even Implores followers to look forward to the Return of Christ, but it doesn't necessarily go to the length of instructing people to bring about the End. It is a last Hope of deliverance, but the deliverance occurs because everything has gone to Hell and without Deliverance all will die. On the flipside there is a fairly large group who are confused and instead of the Hope, they're focussed on the Punishment to come for those they've determined to be Sinners. Instead of Love and Hope, they've succumbed to Hate and Judgment.
Bacardi4206 @ Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:05 am
Pretty much all religions are completly simular, expecially with the whole "World is going to end, then there gods come to save them and bring them to heaven bit". If you do your research, all religions are a copy cat of others. Expecially with the very first religion. Every god has the same characteristics, and saviors have the same characteristics. They are identicle.
I don't pray for the Apocalypse, but if it did come. I would only trust that judgement by science and not religion. Frankly, don't get upset if you are religion but I am tierd of religion. The purpose of them was to promote peace, and controll civilization. Instead, all people do is hate each other because of there different beliefs, and kill each other for not believing in it. Everything is about destruction.
People donate money to the church, loads of money. The pope is one rich man, though has he donated any of this money back to the needy? Like people in Africa? nope, that money is just sitting there as it builds up more and more.
For what purpose? God doesn't need money, that's just stupid. It's the greed that drives it. The only way to have a functional system like that was to accept donations, use whatever ammount you needed to pay for churches, keep money in priest's pockets and whatever. Except to not let that money just sit there, and build up. Donate that mass of money that is left to multiple organizations, expecially the ones they setup in the first place. Christian's Children's Fund, etc.
Church bans gays, bans everything. Rules, Rules, Rules, Hate, Hate Hate. Religion has no creditability with me.
stratos @ Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm
Bart how can you say this about my
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The end times and etc. are in God's time and at His will. Praying for the end times is not at all Scriptural and it is antithetical to Scripture.
and then immedately give a thumbs up for a statement that says this
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sandorski wrote:
That's the thing though, the Bible talks about the End and even Implores followers to look forward to the Return of Christ, but it doesn't necessarily go to the length of instructing people to bring about the End. It is a last Hope of deliverance, but the deliverance occurs because everything has gone to Hell and without Deliverance all will die. On the flipside there is a fairly large group who are confused and instead of the Hope, they're focussed on the Punishment to come for those they've determined to be Sinners. Instead of Love and Hope, they've succumbed to Hate and Judgment.
That's the thing though, the Bible talks about the End and even Implores followers to look forward to the Return of Christ, but it doesn't necessarily go to the length of instructing people to bring about the End. It is a last Hope of deliverance, but the deliverance occurs because everything has gone to Hell and without Deliverance all will die. On the flipside there is a fairly large group who are confused and instead of the Hope, they're focussed on the Punishment to come for those they've determined to be Sinners. Instead of Love and Hope, they've succumbed to Hate and Judgment.
Benoit @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:39 pm
(Matthew 10:34) - "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
(Luke 12:51) - "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three..."
Apocalyse is near when humans stop drinking the blood of their tame animals to drink only their milk.
OPP @ Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:02 pm
That's it... ..America is officially the nuttiest country in the world.
Benoit @ Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:06 am
OPP OPP:
8O
That's it... ..America is officially the nuttiest country in the world.
That's it... ..America is officially the nuttiest country in the world.
The US have simply a different type of welfare state than Sweden:
http://www.jstor.org/view/00377732/di010935/01p0023v/0
Durandal @ Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:26 pm
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Church bans gays, bans everything. Rules, Rules, Rules, Hate, Hate Hate. Religion has no creditability with me.
Fine, religion is the opium of the people, as Vladimir Lenin said.
For the Apocalypse... yeah secularists love to do publicity of the end-time freaks, it excited them two it seems.
Now for mainstream Christianity, it is totally correct to study scipture to learn what the end times look like, and also correct to see if it matches with modern events. It is interesting to find out where we are in all of this. Many theories surface, most don't last.
I have my own and I think it is very logic, but I don't think we should act following they idea that Jesus is gonna come tomorrow morning no doupt, because if we are wrong we will be in trouble.
Durandal @ Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:28 pm
OPP OPP:
8O
That's it... ..America is officially the nuttiest country in the world.
That's it... ..America is officially the nuttiest country in the world.
Never herd of Iran ?
http://debriefed.org/blog/2006/08/la_fo ... adine.html
Bacardi4206 @ Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:32 pm
What's your theory? I promise I won't bash it, can't say the same for others but who knows maybe they won't either. Just interested in what it is.
Benoit @ Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:05 am
What happens when societies stop designating one particular individual to be sacrificed for the sake of the group? Anarchy happens, that is Apocalypse.
Mustang1 @ Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:01 am
Benoit Benoit:
What happens when societies stop designating one particular individual to be sacrificed for the sake of the group? Anarchy happens, that is Apocalypse.
More nonsense from the wannabe. What, no aping of others? And, as per usual, no understanding of your own post's paticulars. No wonder Windsor wouldn't let you in.
Benoit @ Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:21 am
What is important to understand to avoid the end of humanity is that our ancestors were not taming animals to have a food security but to have something that can replace humans in sacrifices.
http://www.jstor.org/view/00295973/sp050094/05x0725w/0
Mustang1 @ Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:58 pm
Benoit Benoit:
What is important to understand to avoid the end of humanity is that our ancestors were not taming animals to have a food security but to have something that can replace humans in sacrifices.
http://www.jstor.org/view/00295973/sp050094/05x0725w/0
http://www.jstor.org/view/00295973/sp050094/05x0725w/0
Really? Domestication was just a ruse for an alternative for human sacrifice? Got some academic sources on that one, wannabe?
Benoit @ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:11 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Benoit Benoit:
What is important to understand to avoid the end of humanity is that our ancestors were not taming animals to have a food security but to have something that can replace humans in sacrifices.
http://www.jstor.org/view/00295973/sp050094/05x0725w/0
http://www.jstor.org/view/00295973/sp050094/05x0725w/0
Really? Domestication was just a ruse for an alternative for human sacrifice? Got some academic sources on that one, wannabe?
Now you ask me to name names!