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RUEZ whines about my comments on faith as if it were a personal insult directed at him, and you jump on the bandwagon as well - what exactly am I expected to be respectful of here? Your personal decision to be offended by comments not directed at you?

Not a chance.

   

LOL, whines? Right I guess anyone that makes a comment you don't like is whining. Seems to me you're doing a lot of whining about religion. So you are saying this isn't an insult? Did I read it wrong?

   

What can be explained without reason?

How can you explain anything without reason?

   

RUEZ,

I really don't care if you're insulted - not one bit. Even if I had specifically had you in mind when I made that comment, your personal feeling of insult is not my concern.

Anything else?

   

If nothing can be explained by reason, there's not much room for explaining things without reason.

So where does "faith" come in? When someone can't reason well, but must resolve the discrepancies in their argument.

   

Ok, I'm not really asking for your concern. I don't care one way or the other, but I'm going to comment when I see people insult me, be it directly or indirectly. So if you make comments like that just expect a response is all. I don't expect to change your mind about anything, you don't like religion, big whoop. Many don't.

   

This isn't simply about my dislike for religion, if you were paying attention.

Let's review: we're here in a thread with a video about logical fallacies used by creationists - these are people that try to logically prove the existance of God. Durandal comes along and says "I'll keep my faith" which in no way addresses any point being made by the video, and in fact supports their claim that creationism relies on faith and not logic.

Get it? We're discussing logic and he brings up his faith - it's a ridiculous comment under these circumstances, since the name of the thread/video isn't, "Top reasons to have faith in God"

   

@ Blue_nose

If people don't want us to laugh at there belief they shouldn't have such funny belief in the first place.

   

I should have typed "without" in there instead of "by".

Regardless, you said, "Not everything can be explained by reason." and I'm asking for a single thing that can be explained without reason.

Your personal decisions to have faith consititute reasoning.

   

Ya like separatism.

   

"Not everything can be explained" - such as? I see now that your tacking on "with reason" was rather irrelevant to your point.

Well other people do feel that need to explain, and my issue is with them, thus the topic of this thread.

Feel free to not involve yourself with matters in which you don't wish to participate.

   

So you're simply assuming that since we can't explain everything right now, those things can't be explained at all?

I think you lost sight of what you were trying to argue. The point I made was that "faith is for people who can't reason", which is to say they fail to come up with a rational explanation for their belief and must rely on "faith" for it to stand.

You then replied with "not everything can be explained by reason", suggesting faith somehow filled a gap that exists in reason in explaining something. That's wrong - faith is a poor explanation (from the point of view of trying to develop rational, logical arguments) for anything, period.

I do, in fact, think rational explanations are necessary for any and all opinions one puts forth, and I never suggested I didn't want to discuss the issue of faith (that was you), but merely speculating on my intentions is hardly "reasonable".

As for my actual intent, simply read what I prefaced the video with, "These guys are great - they debunk creationist videos point by point in a clear and precise, yet entertaining, manner. Check out their other videos."

I think it's pretty obvious from that that I'm simply highlighting the video and the other videos by these guys as informative. I've no problem with sharing a rational rebuttle to bullshit religious claims disguised as science.

Anything else? You've yet to make a single comment on the actual video, and for someone who claims they don't wish to justify their personal faith, you're doing an awful lot of justification.

   

Does the term passive aggressive mean anything to you?

You must have a pretty thin skin to think that what Blue_Nose said was in any way an insult directed at you personally.

Are you insulting us Atheists simply by stating your beliefs?

   

WHERE'S WESTIE????

   

Guys, there's one thing people should consider here:

It's sad, but we can't base any societal belief off simple faith - it's not that faith can't be right (we might as well discover that creationnism was the truth all along one day), but accepting a faith-based belief as truth in a society is recipe for disaster. Why? Simple: some people will disagree and have faith in an opposite belief... and since you can't disprove faith and hardly can argue it, we at best end up in an endless argument and, at worst, see things degenerate into violence (something that's entirely unlikely about evolutionnism and creationnism, of course, but you get what I mean).

All and all, anyone can believe God created the Earth 6000 years ago along with all forms of life and so and so, that's alright, but we still should all swallow our pride and accept that while it's entirely possible this is the truth, we can't realistically base a society or, heck, just an education system off it. Again, I'm not saying it's necessarilly untrue, but even if ultimately we found out it is real, accepting it as fact in everyday life, and acting like scientific theories are automatically completely invalid as soon as there's the smallest hole in them, is basically dooming the entire debate to become a fight between sides with arguments that cannot be disproved.

   

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