What happens when we die?
roger-roger @ Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:41 pm
You can revive a body to function but if you have sufficient brain damage you will not have conciseness. If you had a soul wouldn’t you just pop back into your body?
$1:
Another doctor followed up and discovered through testing in hospitals that there was a significant but small weight loss at the exact moment of death.
Right so your saying a soul has weight?
Near death experiences have been explained away as euphoria from oxygen deprivation, is it more logical to assume they went up into the sky had tea with their grandmother then were zapped back into their body? Can you please show me a concrete study proving the existence of psychic powers? I guess why near death experiences, alien abductions, miracles and psychics are all called supernatural.
Bibbi @ Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:34 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You can revive a body to function but if you have sufficient brain damage you will not have conciseness. If you had a soul wouldn’t you just pop back into your body?
Right so your saying a soul has weight?
Near death experiences have been explained away as euphoria from oxygen deprivation, is it more logical to assume they went up into the sky had tea with their grandmother then were zapped back into their body? Can you please show me a concrete study proving the existence of psychic powers? I guess why near death experiences, alien abductions, miracles and psychics are all called supernatural.
$1:
Another doctor followed up and discovered through testing in hospitals that there was a significant but small weight loss at the exact moment of death.
Right so your saying a soul has weight?
Near death experiences have been explained away as euphoria from oxygen deprivation, is it more logical to assume they went up into the sky had tea with their grandmother then were zapped back into their body? Can you please show me a concrete study proving the existence of psychic powers? I guess why near death experiences, alien abductions, miracles and psychics are all called supernatural.
Actually there are inconsistencies related to the brain. In-head injuries(no external hit) and diffuse axonal injury (brain whiplash) will result in severe brain damage that causes a coma, but there are records of people with massive brain injuries that have been conscious and thinking. One gentleman survived a metal pole being shot through his head and brain in an explosion that went wrong in a mine. So, the thinking is that the consciousness did in fact pop back into the body in the "deaths" I mentioned. (By the way, I am neutral on this stuff in terms of attitude, I just find it interesting.)
As to consciousness having weight, that does sound rather weird when you think about it.
On the other hand, I have certainly not experienced euphoria from oxygen deprivation and I doubt that anyone else has either. Lungs that threaten to burst and seeing spots before your eyes is hardly euphoria. Dr. Louis Rhine's studies on ESP, Cayce, Geller and others with apparent extra-ordinary abilities are worth checking out. Psychics do exist, but a lot fewer of them, than the numbers who profess to be so inclined. Beyond that, I draw no other conclusions pro or con related to an after life.
roger-roger @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:06 pm
I was wrong, in that it wasnt asphyxiation that causes the high but the endorphins that can be released at or near the moment of death. Psychics do not exist; show me one scientific study proving that there is such a thing as psychic phenomenon.
Yogi @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:39 pm
Bibbi Bibbi:
Actually there are inconsistencies related to the brain. In-head injuries(no external hit) and diffuse axonal injury (brain whiplash) will result in severe brain damage that causes a coma, but there are records of people with massive brain injuries that have been conscious and thinking. One gentleman survived a metal pole being shot through his head and brain in an explosion that went wrong in a mine. So, the thinking is that the consciousness did in fact pop back into the body in the "deaths" I mentioned. (By the way, I am neutral on this stuff in terms of attitude, I just find it interesting.)
As to consciousness having weight, that does sound rather weird when you think about it.
On the other hand, I have certainly not experienced euphoria from oxygen deprivation and I doubt that anyone else has either. Lungs that threaten to burst and seeing spots before your eyes is hardly euphoria. Dr. Louis Rhine's studies on ESP, Cayce, Geller and others with apparent extra-ordinary abilities are worth checking out. Psychics do exist, but a lot fewer of them, than the numbers who profess to be so inclined. Beyond that, I draw no other conclusions pro or con related to an after life.Your post is typical of one who because they personally have not experienced a particular situation then it just is not possible. Society has conditioned us to believe that anything we don't understand is not only 'not possible', but improbable, couldn't happen, must be a 'whack-job' etc.
I have personally experienced some of the things mentioned here, sufficient to give me a very strong belief in 'near death' and 'life after death'. None drug induced!
roger-roger @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:42 pm
Yogi Yogi:
Society has conditioned us to believe that anything we don't understand is not only 'not possible', but improbable, couldn't happen, must be a 'whack-job' etc.
You make objectivity sound like a bad thing.
roger-roger @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:50 pm
Here is a little bit of what science brings to the life after death argument.
Yogi @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:02 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
English please!
I don't need anyones scientific studies to 'tell me' what I experienced. The 'last rights' (obviously in my case the 'last wrongs'
) have been administered to me twice. 'I know where I been, and I know what I seen. I do not seek any explanations!
roger-roger @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:12 pm
Thats fine, Im not trying to change your mind, you can believe what you want. Science says you had a delusion though, possibly brought on by an REM session. Until there is proof that a person’s consciousness /”soul” leaves the body after death or sleep I will believe science.
It doesnt tell you what you experienced only attemps to explains it.
llama66 @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:29 pm
But the soul does have weight, it weighs 21 grams, according to the work of Dr. Duncan MacDougall. and besides if you want to break us down to absolute base, we are Bio-Kinetic Energy, and energy cannot be destroyed (or created, for that matter). does this mean we will have consciousness? I don't know.
Gunnair @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:37 pm
stratos stratos:
What happens when we die?
We get necroed a year and a bit later....
DerbyX @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:37 pm
http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
His research was suspect at worst and downright unreliable at best.
romanP @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:41 pm
The only correct answer is "nobody knows."
Choban @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:51 pm
We live in hell now and make the best of it.
When we die depending on our behaviour we either
A) go to paradise and all that entails
B) Have to live life again only harder and nastier than before. What I mean by this is with each life we relive we are subjected to and submerged in harsher circumstances than our last life.
That is why folks the world and society keep getting worse, because everyone who did not live a moral life as a decent human being comes back in a worse situation than they left behind. Unfortunatly more people are reborn and make the same or worse mistakes than they did last time!
This is only a theory folks, I hope it's true though.
Bibbi @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:50 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I was wrong, in that it wasnt asphyxiation that causes the high but the endorphins that can be released at or near the moment of death. Psychics do not exist; show me one scientific study proving that there is such a thing as psychic phenomenon.
OK, how did they determine that endomorphins can be or are released near the moment of death and their effect? Moreover how does the release of endomorphins generate the same "delusion"(if that is your point of view) about your conscience leaving your body among all those with near death experiences?
The problem with science and psychic phenomena is that science seeks to explain and science has not progressed to a point where psychic phenomena can be explained. Even this statement must be qualified since both the U.S. and Russia during the Cold War experimented in all kinds of psychic spying enhanced by drug experiments. Leaks to news media did occur during the 70's but stayed under the radar since they were generally published in a manner to hide their sources of information. News does not stay news for very long unless it becomes part of a continuing story.
Bibbi @ Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:57 pm
Yogi Yogi:
Bibbi Bibbi:
Actually there are inconsistencies related to the brain. In-head injuries(no external hit) and diffuse axonal injury (brain whiplash) will result in severe brain damage that causes a coma, but there are records of people with massive brain injuries that have been conscious and thinking. One gentleman survived a metal pole being shot through his head and brain in an explosion that went wrong in a mine. So, the thinking is that the consciousness did in fact pop back into the body in the "deaths" I mentioned. (By the way, I am neutral on this stuff in terms of attitude, I just find it interesting.)
As to consciousness having weight, that does sound rather weird when you think about it.
On the other hand, I have certainly not experienced euphoria from oxygen deprivation and I doubt that anyone else has either. Lungs that threaten to burst and seeing spots before your eyes is hardly euphoria. Dr. Louis Rhine's studies on ESP, Cayce, Geller and others with apparent extra-ordinary abilities are worth checking out. Psychics do exist, but a lot fewer of them, than the numbers who profess to be so inclined. Beyond that, I draw no other conclusions pro or con related to an after life.Your post is typical of one who because they personally have not experienced a particular situation then it just is not possible. Society has conditioned us to believe that anything we don't understand is not only 'not possible', but improbable, couldn't happen, must be a 'whack-job' etc.
I have personally experienced some of the things mentioned here, sufficient to give me a very strong belief in 'near death' and 'life after death'. None drug induced!
Hey, there Yogi. I did not say that 'life after death' is not possible. The truth is that I won't know until I get there. At the moment I understand both points of view.