A bear by another name
Jonny_C @ Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:41 pm
Evidence of inter-breeding between polar bears and grizzlies...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 59218.html
The German magazine seems to like the name "pizzlies" for them, which is just plain stupid.
I'd vote for calling them "Nanulak" bears.
If these hybrid bears are supposedly infertile how did they find a second-generation Nanulak?
jeff744 @ Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:51 pm
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But scientists argue that the frequency of such hybridization is disconcerting. It's as if two groups had long been living separately, but in adjacent rooms, and suddenly man came along and pushed open the door between them. In the end, it's conceivable that only hybrids will survive. This is currently happening with coyotes and wolves in North America, as well as between two types of flying squirrel.
I guess they never heard of evolution or animals learning to adapt to new situations, the earth was going to warm up eventually and the mating of the Polar bears to the Grizzly is simply two species adapting to a new situation. Sometimes I wonder if they are just handing out degrees in raffles.
Hyack @ Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:00 pm
Old news, this story and others about interbreeding between similar species have been around for years now. Also, the bear hybrids aren't pizzlies nor are they Nanulaks, they are Grolar Bears.
http://www.onearth.org/article/grolar-bears-and-narlugas-rise-of-the-arctic-hybrids
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2010/12/15/science-arctic-hybrids.html
Jonny_C @ Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:03 pm
I'm glad you didn't say there's been another thread on it.
I only looked back through one page of titles. 
My vote is still for nanulak. It's got a good etymology and seems appropriate to the locale.
jeff744 @ Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:18 pm
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
I'm glad you didn't say there's been another thread on it.
I only looked back through one page of titles.
My vote is still for nanulak. It's got a good etymology and seems appropriate to the locale.
I only looked back through one page of titles.
My vote is still for nanulak. It's got a good etymology and seems appropriate to the locale.
Better to make a topic because you didn't check further than a page or two than to gravedig ones that are 6 years old.
Hyack @ Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:28 pm
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
I'm glad you didn't say there's been another thread on it.
I only looked back through one page of titles.
My vote is still for nanulak. It's got a good etymology and seems appropriate to the locale.
I only looked back through one page of titles.
My vote is still for nanulak. It's got a good etymology and seems appropriate to the locale.
There probably is a thread about it.......somewhere here in the forums, or at least comments posted on the story which was in the CKA news. But, as Jeff stated, better to start a "new" thread about it than to dig up some years old necro which most members here are tired of being subjected to damn near every time a new member shows up.
.....cheers
ShepherdsDog @ Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:18 am
They can produce fertile offspring, so the polar bear genetic drift isn't that far off its brown bear ancestry.
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Scientists confirmed last week that a bear shot by an Inuvialuit hunter in the Northwest Territories is a second-generation grizzly-polar bear hybrid—a "pizzly" or "grolar" bear. Why can some interbreeding species produce fertile offspring, while others—like horses and donkeys—cannot?
Because they have more recent common ancestry. When geographical barriers—such as rising sea levels or retracting ice floes—separate populations, they may develop genetic, physiological, or behavioral differences; changes in chromosome structure or number; differently shaped genitalia; or incompatible mating times and rituals—any of which can prevent successful reproduction. Take horses and donkeys, which probably diverged about 2.4 million years ago. Horses have 64 chromosomes, while donkeys have 62, and when they mate, their chromosomes don't pair up properly, inhibiting meiosis in their offspring. As a result, mules are sterile. Brown bears and polar bears, by contrast, evolved from the same ancestor only about 150,000 years ago—a relatively brief period—and have not developed significant genetic differences.
The prevailing theory holds that polar bears diverged from brown bears at the end of the last ice age (the Pleistocene), when a population followed retreating ice northward. As they adapted to their new arctic home, the separated population lost the brown bear's hump and developed the polar bear's characteristic hair (which is actually clear), narrower shoulders, longer neck, smaller head, and partially webbed toes. Despite appearances, polar bears and grizzlies are still genetically quite similar. In fact, there are multiple instances of the two species successfully interbreeding in zoos.
The reason grizzlies and polar bears rarely interbreed in the wild is that, generally speaking, they don't cross paths during mating season. Barren-ground grizzlies live primarily on land, where they feast on caribou and berries, and mate from May to July; meanwhile, polar bears mate from April to June while hunting for seals along the sea ice. But four years ago, a sports hunter shot a male grizzly-polar bear hybrid near Banks Island (just west of Victoria Island), proving that at least a couple of wild bears bridged their differences. The hybrid shot last month was the offspring of a female hybrid and male grizzly, bringing the total known wild hybrid count to three (counting the two dead bears and hybrid mother). It's possible there could be more out there. Some scientists are re-evaluating past sightings of bears that they assumed, at the time, were blonde grizzlies.
Some scientists believe that global warming could cause the hybridization of many arctic animals, particularly marine mammals. The thinking goes that as Arctic sea ice melts, closely related species in the North Pacific and North Atlantic will come into contact and interbreed. In the case of polar bears, loss of habitat could drive them to land, where they may come into contact with grizzlies. Other scientists, however, aren't convinced that climate change is the trigger for the hybrid bears. Changes in sea ice have been less drastic in the Beaufort Sea than in other parts of the arctic, and it seems quite possible that the pizzlies resulted from breeding pairs that met on ice, rather than on land.
Because they have more recent common ancestry. When geographical barriers—such as rising sea levels or retracting ice floes—separate populations, they may develop genetic, physiological, or behavioral differences; changes in chromosome structure or number; differently shaped genitalia; or incompatible mating times and rituals—any of which can prevent successful reproduction. Take horses and donkeys, which probably diverged about 2.4 million years ago. Horses have 64 chromosomes, while donkeys have 62, and when they mate, their chromosomes don't pair up properly, inhibiting meiosis in their offspring. As a result, mules are sterile. Brown bears and polar bears, by contrast, evolved from the same ancestor only about 150,000 years ago—a relatively brief period—and have not developed significant genetic differences.
The prevailing theory holds that polar bears diverged from brown bears at the end of the last ice age (the Pleistocene), when a population followed retreating ice northward. As they adapted to their new arctic home, the separated population lost the brown bear's hump and developed the polar bear's characteristic hair (which is actually clear), narrower shoulders, longer neck, smaller head, and partially webbed toes. Despite appearances, polar bears and grizzlies are still genetically quite similar. In fact, there are multiple instances of the two species successfully interbreeding in zoos.
The reason grizzlies and polar bears rarely interbreed in the wild is that, generally speaking, they don't cross paths during mating season. Barren-ground grizzlies live primarily on land, where they feast on caribou and berries, and mate from May to July; meanwhile, polar bears mate from April to June while hunting for seals along the sea ice. But four years ago, a sports hunter shot a male grizzly-polar bear hybrid near Banks Island (just west of Victoria Island), proving that at least a couple of wild bears bridged their differences. The hybrid shot last month was the offspring of a female hybrid and male grizzly, bringing the total known wild hybrid count to three (counting the two dead bears and hybrid mother). It's possible there could be more out there. Some scientists are re-evaluating past sightings of bears that they assumed, at the time, were blonde grizzlies.
Some scientists believe that global warming could cause the hybridization of many arctic animals, particularly marine mammals. The thinking goes that as Arctic sea ice melts, closely related species in the North Pacific and North Atlantic will come into contact and interbreed. In the case of polar bears, loss of habitat could drive them to land, where they may come into contact with grizzlies. Other scientists, however, aren't convinced that climate change is the trigger for the hybrid bears. Changes in sea ice have been less drastic in the Beaufort Sea than in other parts of the arctic, and it seems quite possible that the pizzlies resulted from breeding pairs that met on ice, rather than on land.
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