Einstein Believed In God
hurley_108 @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:43 am
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
The irony of the tendency for religious people to use Einstein as their figurehead is that they claim that his opinion is worth anyone's respect, yet they very underhandedly take his words out of context and spin them to create the impression that he supported the very thing he was against.
That someone who called belief in a Christian/Jewish/Muslim God "childlike" is used to promote said belief is pathetic.
That someone who called belief in a Christian/Jewish/Muslim God "childlike" is used to promote said belief is pathetic.
But since when have the religious ever been known to use quotes in their full intended context?
Knoss @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:20 am
$1:
If there is any movement toward "push gravity," it's explicitly non-academic, and is a complete crock based upon absurd appeals to lay instinct and completely improper use of magnets as simulators of gravity in mechanical "models."
According to M theory gravitons are a particle similar to electrons but multi dimensional so they should be able to attract and repel.
hurley_108 @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:46 am
Knoss Knoss:
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If there is any movement toward "push gravity," it's explicitly non-academic, and is a complete crock based upon absurd appeals to lay instinct and completely improper use of magnets as simulators of gravity in mechanical "models."
According to M theory gravitons are a particle similar to electrons but multi dimensional so they should be able to attract and repel.
No. Gravitons and electrons are nothing at all alike.
Electrons are massive, charged, spin 1/2 fermions. Gravitons are massless, chargeless, spin 2 bosons.
Whether or not the nature of gravitons suggests they should be able to repel as well as attract I don't know.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:55 am
IceOwl IceOwl:
I don't think there was any belief at all. Once you start believing something, you stop thinking about that aspect of existence. I think his concept of god and the universe were always evolving, and that is what allowed him to be the scientist that he was.
Rather profound.
Knoss @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:13 am
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No. Gravitons and electrons are nothing at all alike.
Electrons are massive, charged, spin 1/2 fermions. Gravitons are massless, chargeless, spin 2 bosons.
Whether or not the nature of gravitons suggests they should be able to repel as well as attract I don't know.
Electrons are massive, charged, spin 1/2 fermions. Gravitons are massless, chargeless, spin 2 bosons.
Whether or not the nature of gravitons suggests they should be able to repel as well as attract I don't know.
i never said they were the same only that if it is controled by a particle it should have the same repeling and atracting properties of course if gravitons would attract gravitinos in the same way electrons attract positrons.
hurley_108 @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:29 pm
Knoss Knoss:
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No. Gravitons and electrons are nothing at all alike.
Electrons are massive, charged, spin 1/2 fermions. Gravitons are massless, chargeless, spin 2 bosons.
Whether or not the nature of gravitons suggests they should be able to repel as well as attract I don't know.
Electrons are massive, charged, spin 1/2 fermions. Gravitons are massless, chargeless, spin 2 bosons.
Whether or not the nature of gravitons suggests they should be able to repel as well as attract I don't know.
i never said they were the same only that if it is controled by a particle it should have the same repeling and atracting properties of course if gravitons would attract gravitinos in the same way electrons attract positrons.
Dude, I know almost nothing about particle physics, but apparently you know even less. Electrons and positrons are both fermions. The gravitino is the supersymmetric partner of a graviton. Thus, the gravitino is a fermion and the graviton a boson.
Electrons and positrons would attract each other by simple electrostatics.
And none of it means anything as far as nonesistent push gravity is concerned.
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:17 pm
Seems like Einstein and I have a similar concept of God. 
stratos @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:53 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
Seems like Einstein and I have a similar concept of God.
Dose that mean you will now start leaving home without any pants on?
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:06 pm
stratos stratos:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
Seems like Einstein and I have a similar concept of God.
Dose that mean you will now start leaving home without any pants on?
What makes you so sure I haven't been doing that for years?
I can't wait to move to Austin, assuming you stay. Helsinki will be too damn cold for my Area 51.
stratos @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:42 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
stratos stratos:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
Seems like Einstein and I have a similar concept of God.
Dose that mean you will now start leaving home without any pants on?
What makes you so sure I haven't been doing that for years?
I can't wait to move to Austin, assuming you stay. Helsinki will be too damn cold for my Area 51.
Don't worry here in Austin I don't think anyone will notice, I'll just put you next to the GUY who wears a thong and bra during the summer and just stands around trying to piss people off.
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:46 pm
$1:
I'll just put you next to the GUY who wears a thong and bra during the summer and just stands around trying to piss people off.
Okay, fuck that. I'm staying right here in Canada.
Blue_Nose @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:00 pm
IceOwl IceOwl:
God is god. To ask "Which God do you believe in?" is about the same as asking "Do you like brown or white eggs?", when the only the difference between the colour of the shell of a chicken's egg is the chicken it came from, but not so much the contents within.
That's basically true if you're comparing the Christian/Muslim/Jewish Gods, but the difference between Einstein's God and Aquinas' God is so great it almost makes no sense to refer to both of them by the same term.
TheFoundersIntent @ Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:17 pm
sandorski sandorski:
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
Taken from here...also includes many other of his quotes concerning "god"
Taken from here...also includes many other of his quotes concerning "god"
I see he admits that there is structure. Amazing, how did that happen.....all by itself I suppose? Hmmmm? Structure just happens doesn't it, even in your life? You just sit back and do nothing and your life flows along in an orderly fashion? Einstein was wise enough to understand that in the grand scheme of the universe he was ignorant, and only a mind infinitely more intelligent could understand it, or even create it.