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I don't care if he considers it arrogant - I tend to stay out of political discussions here not because I don't care, but because I'm not an authority whatsoever on Canadian politics. The same goes for discussions of history, the military, and a number of other things. I don't have anything to offer to the discussion, so I stay out of it.

A member's opinion may matter to them, but there's no value to it to the forum if they're not going to add anything to the discussion but constant repetition of that opinion.

We all know samsquach doesn't like Al Gore or the hockey stick graph - why does he need to constantly inundate the forum with that opinion? From what I can see, it's because he's an annoying troll.

   

I know. That's what I like about the sceptic crowd--they don't ride on airplanes. There's no hypocrites or vested interests on our side. I like how you put "climate change conference" in quotes. We know that it's really just a confab for the MSM and the liberal scientists to plot ways to thier socialist dystopia.

I've read the latest IPCC so-called "science" report and they didn't mention this conference anywhere.

   

I know. That's what I like about the sceptic crowd--they don't ride on airplanes. There's no hypocrites or vested interests on our side. I like how you put "climate change conference" in quotes. We know that it's really just a confab for the MSM and the liberal scientists to plot ways to thier socialist dystopia.

30,000 tonnes? Is that a lot? Can you explain that without numbers.

I've read the latest IPCC so-called "science" report and they didn't mention this conference anywhere.

   

N_Fiddle dog

Perhaps because my formal education is primarily in law and psychology.

I proceed to evaluate the merit of a matter on the basis of quantum meruit. In the case of the AGW agenda--I have yet to detect any evidence that is not fraud and fantasy. When the CO2 AGW lacks any evidence and the onus of proof is with them----their case lacks merit. That sort of looses the sympathy of the court.

When I readily detect a political agenda in the fraud and fantasy......my intelligence background just kicks in. When I see dogged allegiance to an agenda in the face of the exposure of the fraud and fantasy---I quickly discount victimization by a propaganda campaign and proceed to deduce malfeasance.

Both the Goron and the fruitfly counter are generally intelligent enough to be aware of reality which leads to the conclusion that they are evil. I can dismiss the Hollywood Motion Picture academy as just stupid, ignorant and silly but cannot apply that excuse to the Nobel Committee.

I am unaware of the scholastic achievements of the usual suspects here but judging by their resort to juvenile name calling, and to belittling others by their shallow perceptions would indicate they are at best grads from a community college---perhaps McDonald's College of burgerology. Hockey Pucks.

This is why I find little pleasure in a battle of wits with unarmed men.

   

Al Gore probably kicks kittens when no one is looking. Scientists are evil and should be locked away in Gunatanamo for forced Christianization.

   

Zipperfish

You clumsy attempt at levity about a serious matter is pathetic.

Just to clarify CO2 AGW is a serious matter----not because of environmental consequences but the brazen attempt to hijack our way of life for a self-apointed eleite to gain wealth and power.

Your rhetoric still prattles on as if the fraud and lies were scientific fact and scientists are somehow apolitical creatures above malfeasance. Scientists are not evil----some people are evil. Scientists are people, who put their pants on like everyone else, they have a fraction of political extremists, undoubted a portion are pedifiles (like any other occupation), and a portion are criminals. MDs a fraternaty we hold in the highest regard are occasionally murders, traitors and worse. Why not scientists.

A good part of this fraud is the unsupported notion that scientists are above political extremism and incapable of criminal malfeasance.

In fact by falsely labling fraud and fiction as scientific fact and then accusing those who cite this fraud as fraud enemies of science is just more fraud.

As I have posted elsewhere, taking the alarmist position, and making such absolutely over-the-top preposterous claims to ridicule alarmism, would be counter production because the hockey pucks would immediately adopt it and declare it newly revealed fact and science. That is just how pathetic the situation really is.

I have been accused of inundating my views, but I cannot have a radio, TV or computer on without experiencing a barrage of this obtuse BS. Why is this fraud allowed? Counter AGW has been smeared as denial like holocaust denial when alarmism is the anti-social threat and rightly should be outlawed with holocaust denial.

Yeah I don't doubt Goron kicks kittens and puppies. He even looks evil.

   

I get that, and lately it seems like moreso. They're still talking about "The Science", and facts, but when was the last time you actually saw them produce anything credible. It's become argument by media release.

The polar bear extinction scare was a fraud.

The Northwest Passage opened up again, and of course the usual faces were chartering ships to get up there, and get in front of a camera to say it's all the fault of human caused global warming, but it turns out there's nothing unusual about the melt in the larger history of things, and it's easily attributable to natural causes. Oh and something else the mainscream media didn't tell us - sea levels didn't raise one millimeter as a result of it.

When faced with the tough questions I heard even the environmentalists own scientists admitting there was no causal link between the pine beetle, and warming.

Then there's this thing the environmentalist did about mass extinctions in warm periods. That's supposed to be science is it? In all the years of research into the history of the world nobody is supposed to have noticed this miraculous, breakthrough, discovery of mass extinctions in warm periods. Is that what they were saying? That's what it sounded like. Then there was that head-scratching trick of language "We can't really attribute a cause to any of this, but here's what the cause is..."

The Antartic is cooling. The monster hurricane seasons of 2006, and 2007 never materialized. Their argument is falling apart, and more and more I see their side of the debate devolving into rhetoric. Actually if you get past a few computer models, was it ever anything more?

   

The Skeptic side has always been about Rhetoric.

   

ROTFL I bet it is.

Really? I view/listen to all these media as well, and certainly haven't experienced a "barrage" of any sort - pretty hard to substantiate that claim considering your computer, television, and radio are passive devices.

It's also a bit revealing when you're the one who constantly raises the issue on these forums - it was not a major topic of discussion before you insisted on inserting it daily, even in topics unrelated to GW.

Nevertheless, at least you're making an effort to contribute to the conversion beyond your typical attempts.

   

Exactly. Let's lock up anyone who doesn't agree with us. That's the only true path to freedom. Just like war is the only true path to peace.

And let's not forget Al Gore has a big house. And these AGW so-called scientists totally neglected to metnion this in their reports.

   

How dare you impugn Sasquatch's credentials in law and psychology. He was indeed in law, as a security guard at the local mall (law), until he was unjustly dismissed for climbing on a soapbox in the food court launching into long tirades about hockey pucks and jokhlaups, after which he had to undergo a court-ordered period of evaluation by professionals (psychology).

   

Zipperfish

Funny you should say that. That is precisely what some of the extremists of the AGW camp proposed for what they dubbed sceptics/deniers/contrarians. Indeed when they proposed charges of treason they were calling for execution.

Freedom of speech does have limitations beyond holocaust denial. The classical example is yelling fire in a crowded theatre......inciting panic.....

Zipperfish


Yeah that is an "inconvenient truth." It does indeed become relevant when these alarmists cite moral considerations and call for sacrifice on the masses which they reject.

   

Exactly. Since when are "the science" and facts credible? It's well known their graphs only go up to Septmeber 2007. Well, if you look at the graph up to today, you can see that for the last two months it has been GETTING COOLER right across Canada. Even the experts are predicting it will get even cooler in December and January. They conveniently "forget" to include the last two months because it clearly shows NO WARMING.

(Did I mention Al Gore has a big house?)

   

I think this cooling in the months of December and January have something to do with this phenomenon called winter.

Global warming doesn't mean winter is going to disappear tomorrow, only that there will be less snow, which has been the trend for at least the past three years.

   

   

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