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Why some still think climate change isn’t real

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PluggyRug @ Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:42 pm

fifeboy fifeboy:
Mmmmmm

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You should stop posting selfies of yourself. :mrgreen:

   



fifeboy @ Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:03 pm

I NEVER wear a suit!

   



FieryVulpine @ Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:11 pm

Tricks Tricks:
So lets wait around and compound the inevitable cost of it?

It would help to have a plan that is more than more than meaningless slogans.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:05 pm

:P

   



DrCaleb @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:28 am

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
Tricks Tricks:
So lets wait around and compound the inevitable cost of it?

It would help to have a plan that is more than more than meaningless slogans.


There has been a plan for 30+ years. The longer we wait, the harder and more financially painful the implementation will be.

What are you willing to do to start? Take the Bus? Dry your laundry on a line? Give up cell phones and computers? Convert your home to geothermal heating and solar electricity?

And saying you are just a small part is a cop out. Everyone together is a large part of the problem, and solution.

   



Thanos @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:09 am

Start with rotating power and home heating blackouts, regardless of the outside temperature. Ban running any internal combustion engine between midnight and 6 AM. Put a $5000 carbon tax on every vehicle built in Ontario. And a $2 million tax on every jetliner built by Bombardier. Try these kinds of things to see how well they'll go over.

   



FieryVulpine @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:10 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
What are you willing to do to start? Take the Bus? Dry your laundry on a line? Give up cell phones and computers? Convert your home to geothermal heating and solar electricity?

I use public transit, but largely out of necessity.

Climate alarmists constantly underestimate how fossil fuels are so integral to our civilization. We still need it to rip the lithium--also a scarce resource--needed for batteries out of the ground. They also fail to recognize the environmental damage strip mining causes, but I guess an acceptable loss? Solar panels and wind turbines require energy to manufacture and I seriously doubt that wind or solar can provide the energy required on its own with wind accounting for 4% of total electrical generation. Granted, hydroelectricity accounts for 60% of electricity generation in Canada so there is that.

There are also countless other angles that I haven't accounted for and neither have the environmentalists. Let's face it, they are so caught up in their own utopian dreams that they fail to realize that they will more likely regress civilization to the 18th century due to their unique brand of shortsightedness.

   



DrCaleb @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:33 am

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
What are you willing to do to start? Take the Bus? Dry your laundry on a line? Give up cell phones and computers? Convert your home to geothermal heating and solar electricity?

I use public transit, but largely out of necessity.


So do I. But it's just a start.


FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
Climate alarmists constantly underestimate how fossil fuels are so integral to our civilization.


No, they don't. It's everyone else who fails to realize how much civilization depends on the environment. It's pointless having a thriving economy, when the environment is hostile to life.

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
We still need it to rip the lithium--also a scarce resource--needed for batteries out of the ground. They also fail to recognize the environmental damage strip mining causes, but I guess an acceptable loss?


Yes. Strip mining for rare earths is much more acceptable than strip mining for coal.

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
Solar panels and wind turbines require energy to manufacture and I seriously doubt that wind or solar can provide the energy required on its own with wind accounting for 4% of total electrical generation. Granted, hydroelectricity accounts for 60% of electricity generation in Canada so there is that.


And what do you base that on? The UK for example just passed the point where renewable energy generates more of their electricity than any other form. The largest producer of wind energy in the US is oil rich Texas.

Every single car manufacturer is developing a pure electric vehicle, some are producing entire lines of EVs. That shows us the technology is already surpassing the IC engine, it's just a matter of will before the EV outsells the IC.

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
There are also countless other angles that I haven't accounted for and neither have the environmentalists. Let's face it, they are so caught up in their own utopian dreams that they fail to realize that they will more likely regress civilization to the 18th century due to their unique brand of shortsightedness.


Why do you assume people are stupid?

https://www.ft.com/content/1b56f762-ec0 ... 6339d835c0

   



Thanos @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:41 am

Alberta is full of wind-farms, another minor fact that belies the endless propaganda from those who openly hate us because we're allegedly not participating in these things.

   



DrCaleb @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:02 am

Thanos Thanos:
Alberta is full of wind-farms, another minor fact that belies the endless propaganda from those who openly hate us because we're allegedly not participating in these things.


One of the few growth industries in the Province.

   



Thanos @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:11 am

It would probably shock the others to death if they had to acknowledge that Mordor could be so enlightened. Nice national "family" we're part of, eh? :roll:

   



DrCaleb @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:14 am

Every family has that weird uncle no one talks about. ;)

   



Thanos @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:18 am

Or the stuck-up egomaniac older brothers who are full of themselves and get off on treating everyone else in the house like they're shit. :|

   



FieryVulpine @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:04 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why do you assume people are stupid?

https://www.ft.com/content/1b56f762-ec0 ... 6339d835c0

Paywall. People will see what they want to see, hence why we have environmentalists acting like a doomsday cult because the UN has predicted an apocalyptic event for 2030. While I find the growth of wind and solar encouraging--same with the infrastructure for EVs being gradually built--the internal combustion engine will not be disappearing anytime soon. That is unless EVs can produce engines capable of moving massive loads as well as tractors that can till and harvest fields, for example.

Additionally, oil consumption has only increased worldwide. It has already reached 100 million barrels per day (bpd), and that figure could rise to 125 million bpd by mid-century.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil- ... SKCN1M01TC

Economies like China may be leading the way in development of renewables, but it appears that it's to supplement fossil fuels rather than replace them. Perhaps we will have to give nuclear another look and hopefully ITER can make nuclear fusion viable, which would be a game-changer.

As for the 4% figure I gave for wind power, it comes from Natural Resources Canada:
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data/da ... acts/20069

   



Strutz @ Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:08 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And saying you are just a small part is a cop out. Everyone together is a large part of the problem, and solution.

R=UP

   



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