Canada Kicks Ass
Internet Radio activism

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FootPrints @ Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:47 pm

What a great idea!<br /> <br /> Here is a forum that should help with any questions:<br /> <a href="http://www.podcastalley.com/forum/index.php">podcastalley forum</a><br /> <br /> and a couple of articles:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.allinternetradio.com/stationguide.asp">Building your dream - How to start an internet radio station</a><br /> <br /> <a href="http://radio.about.com/od/podcastin1/a/aa030805a.htm">How to Create Your Own Podcast - A Step-by-Step Tutorial</a><br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

   



Marcarc @ Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:59 pm

My 'direct democracy' campaign is about to begin and the audio podcast is my main 'tool' at my website. Not as good as streamcasting, but also not as intensive-or expensive. Podcasts are butthead easy and only involve a little effort. I did upgrade my mike for $140 and paid $40 bucks for a software program that turns mp3 files into flash files with a player. The 'pupuplayer' does sort of the same thing.<br /> <br /> Just thought I'd throw in my experience. I even found royalty free music and worked on audacity and goldwave for mixing, its quite fun and I even created a song. The one downside-Lord I hate the sound of my voice!

   



FootPrints @ Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:47 pm

Do we get a link? I'd love to hear it.<br /> <br /> www.soundclick.com has free downloadable music by indie bands. Some are just amazing. Most of the people there have their own radio stations too. Just don't choose your music by the top in the charts, in my opinion, they are sometimes the worst!

   



gaulois @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:40 am

Thanks for the tips. Anyone interested in doing one for Vive (say an hour a week or a month). Would the Vive board be on board?

   



Marcarc @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:12 pm

I think that would be up to the owners of the board. I'm not positive that there is an 'upside'. I'm not sure that many more people will 'tune in' to hear stories spoken rather than written. There's no real point to the extra workload. I'm doing it simply because I'll take any gimmick available that will increase the number of people learning about direct democracy. A non stop internet radio station would be quite novel, but probably beyond the means of the site. Whether that many more people will 'tune in' is pretty questionable. Some of the opinions I scroll through, with audio you wouldn't even be able to do that. Flash documentaries and audio documentaries would be interesting, but the site would be better served just providing links to them. I do think there SHOULD be a documentary on the many issues brought up here, somebody was talking about it a while ago, then disappeared. <br /> <br />

   



FootPrints @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:56 pm

I don't know much about internet radio but if it's on podcast and pre-recorded, isn't there a way to archive them, and if a person is interested in one thing they could just choose to listen to that?<br /> <br /> Wouldn't interviews be great? Going to protests or asking companies, politicians stuff and putting it up? Take questions to the street and find out what REAL Canadians really think.<br /> <br /> My husband has a studio and is into recording, I think I will learn more about it. I have things I am working on and over the next 3 months I'm booked but, after that I think I'll get off my butt and get active.<br /> <br /> I hate the sound of my voice too, but there are many voice mods out there too LOL.<br /> <br /> Maybe a bunch of us could pull something like this together.

   



Marcarc @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:10 pm

Well, Gaulois was pretty sympatico with most of my ideas back when we were all hashing them out. Anybody that has anything that they want aired, then like I said, I'll be doing a podcast for direct democracy. So most of the stuff on this link certainly adds into the mix. If it means I have to do less then that's even better. I just need an MP3 of whatever it is, and it can be anything, so long as it fits into the general category of government corruption, incompetence, neglect, or anything thats bad for canadians. As for archiving stuff, its extremely easy, for 15 bucks you can check out pupuplayer, which essentially lists all your 'shows' by date. They each have a title, so you can scroll down and pick the episode that interests you. For another project I'm working on I'm getting software that lets me tape phone calls and so I'm going to start doing interviews with economic developers, activists, etc. There are limitless possibilities out there with this stuff, the problem is getting enough people to work on the project so one person isn't swamped, and of course finding an audience. I would say aim it at the younger demographic because they're the ones really into the latest tricks.

   



gaulois @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:42 pm

Couple points. I was thinking about something a bit more experimental like 1 hour a month trial. One problem I have with the recording is that you cannot do "media convergence" on the "show" with an ongoing listener chat session which I find can add a lot of dynamics to our interactions. I realize that we cannot often be in realtime and must timeshift when listening in. Nonetheless the initial "show" could be done live. There is a number of technical matters that I need to look into like max number of listeners on a port (from my ISP), how to best bridge an interviewee audio stream also coming from the Net, the voice quality issues to expect, etc... Looks like fun stuff and it could add a neat dimension to an otherwise written/read sometimes repetitive "forum". No webcam stuff though!

   



FootPrints @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:21 pm

I'm sorry gaulois, I just looked into the shoutcast "live" radio broadcasting. I jumped right into pre-recorded shows.<br /> <br /> They have a forum <a href="http://forums.winamp.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=9">here</a><br /> <br /> I think it's a fantastic idea! I would listen to a show that had content like this site anytime. And you are right, a live broadcast would be cool. Maybe a mix of both?<br /> Maybe get this posted on the front page here and see how many people here would be interested in contributing time and or money towards it. It doesn't have to be on this server if it's too much but could be linked right?<br /> <br />

   



FootPrints @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:45 pm

This looks like a god one too:<br /> <a href="http://radio.about.com/library/weekly/aa052403a.htm">Creating Your Own Internet Radio Station With Live 365</a>

   



Marcarc @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:12 pm

I REALLY don't see the value of that, Gaulois, a LOT of work for very little result. It is 'cool', but is that really worth it? At the Live365 they show that its pretty pricey to have even very few listeners. For a 'town hall' type meeting it would be far more beneficial, and less confusing just to meet on an IRC chat room. There really is no benefit to having a whole group being able to interupt one another, so the 'live' aspect doesn't really seem that important. However, anybody finds an easy way to do it then I'm interested in hearing about it for something else. I think the fact that only three people are discussing this goes to show why the idea doesn't really need to be put into action. <br /> <br /> There is free software for doing audio, and cheap software for doing flash slideshows, and of course even video to show stories around the country. In the states I've seen some public radio stations that are using peer to peer services like bittorrent to make their shows downloadable at any time. I think that's pretty exciting as a person can literally turn their PC, so long as they have a static IP, into a television station. Once enough peer to peer sharers start downloading files then it becomes even easier and faster since peer to peer works best when there are numerous sources of files.<br /> <br />

   



gaulois @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:27 pm

The value of "that"? What is "that"?<br /> <br /> If there is only one main audio stream, there is really only one person talking at once.<br /> <br /> Call it the "moderator" that hands opver a token when other speak. There are many ways to bridge in a second audiio stream. It could probably be done through a telephone network "caller" in.<br /> <br /> I don't any problem having an ongoing that can provide inputs into the "moderator" holding the mike.<br /> <br /> Putting one audio stream on the Net is really no big deal.

   



Marcarc @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:56 pm

"That" means the 'live' aspect. Information is information, whether its 'live' or not really is moot. Audio IS easy, like I said, I've done it, but there isn't anything like that at Vive, so I"m assuming they either can't afford the bandwidth or simply don't see the value in it. If you go back and start at the beginning of this thread and then imagine the people saying it, it really doesn't add that much. However, I think Canada BADLY needs 'listener sponsored radio' like they have in the states. The CBC has occasional stuff and I find they cover 'more' news, but a lot of it is just filler, talking the Mary Jane about her garden and so on.<br /> <br /> There is almost literally no 'talk' out there on politics and economics-I mean the stories that people can relate to. The 'live' aspect would be great if, say, there were an interview with some expert and people were linked up for questions. Almost always I've notice d the 'two question rule' where an issue is brought up, then one backup question is asked, but then the issue is just left alone. This is especially prevalent in interviews with politicians, but apart from local politicians you'd never get them to do a show like that anyway. Recently in New Brunswick the premier cancelled his appearance on a television call in show because the two politicians that preceded him were absolutely blasted by callers, and these are highly censored call in shows by Rogers.<br /> <br /> However, knock yourself out, I'd assume if Vive were interested then a moderator or somebody would have jumped in here, and since it is ultimately their decision I think you may end up wasting your time. I doubt you'd even be able to get people to 'show up' at the same time, and if its live then most people may miss it and so miss all the information. You could 'record' it and make the file available, but that essentially defeats the purpose of it being live in the first place.

   



gaulois @ Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:33 pm

Vive server does not need to host the audio stream. Can just host the chat as it does already and a web link reader to make it easier to listen to audio stream. Even then the reader string can be passed into the chat. This is point to point stuff afterall. I am doing this any way using Le Canard for the chat line as well as passing in the stream reader. I think you are making this more complicated than it has to be.

   



Marcarc @ Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:59 am

Hey, like I said, people are free to use their time any way they want. It is WAY easier for people who want to talk in 'real time' to simply post to the forum and say "hey, I'm creating a room called 'vivelecanada' for anybody who wants to talk on IRC". I'm not sure but I think ICQ and messenger have similar features. I'm simply saying nobody seems very interested in it. I come here primarily for the articles from footprints and some others, but have zero interest in stretching out what is a two minute read into an hour long (or more) conversation. If I have something to say, I just quickly post it. <br /> <br /> The only reason I state this is because I can't imagine why ANYBODY would want to do that, and certainly the lack of interest here points to that. If you're doing it anyway, god bless and have fun.

   



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