Disabled woman badly beaten by TSA after brain tumor care
DrCaleb @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:48 am
Meanwhile, in Canada . . .
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:25 am
A couple constables are out playing basketball with the kids right now....initially I wrote 'shooting hoops', but that could be misconstrued 
. Going for a layup in full gear is a bit of a bitch I imagine.
BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:30 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
She's 19. She's not mentally retarded. She has some disabilities but there's no reason she decided to ignore commands from the TSA and run from them. You don't get a pass just because you don't understand what's going on.
So with you it's comply or die, huh?
Thanos @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:37 am
Amazed that they're only suing for $100K because with an assault that egregious the starting point should be $100 million. Those lunkheads could have ruined all the work that she'd accomplished through the surgeries and other treatments by smashing her head against the floor.
99 times out of 100 I'm pro-cop. This is the 1 in 100 where someone needs to get fired and prosecuted for this. Especially when her parent/guardian was with her but the pricks went into full reflexive roid-rage mode anyway and ignored what her mom was trying to tell them. It also illustrates the completely logical policy of profiling most likely terrorist suspects because this girl is about as far from being a probably terrorist or drug smuggler imaginable. Failure on the authority's part altogether and someone needs to lose their goddamn jobs because of it. 
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:06 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
She's 19. She's not mentally retarded. She has some disabilities but there's no reason she decided to ignore commands from the TSA and run from them. You don't get a pass just because you don't understand what's going on.
So with you it's comply or die, huh?
Did anyone die? Someone got tackled when they ran from TSA guards.
How else do you expect them to handle this when they have no idea of the woman's condition?
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:06 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Amazed that they're only suing for $100K because with an assault that egregious the starting point should be $100 million. Those lunkheads could have ruined all the work that she'd accomplished through the surgeries and other treatments by smashing her head against the floor.
99 times out of 100 I'm pro-cop. This is the 1 in 100 where someone needs to get fired and prosecuted for this. Especially when her parent/guardian was with her but the pricks went into full reflexive roid-rage mode anyway and ignored what her mom was trying to tell them. It also illustrates the completely logical policy of profiling most likely terrorist suspects because this girl is about as far from being a probably terrorist or drug smuggler imaginable. Failure on the authority's part altogether and someone needs to lose their goddamn jobs because of it.
99 times out of 100 I'm pro-cop. This is the 1 in 100 where someone needs to get fired and prosecuted for this. Especially when her parent/guardian was with her but the pricks went into full reflexive roid-rage mode anyway and ignored what her mom was trying to tell them. It also illustrates the completely logical policy of profiling most likely terrorist suspects because this girl is about as far from being a probably terrorist or drug smuggler imaginable. Failure on the authority's part altogether and someone needs to lose their goddamn jobs because of it.
How would they have known about her condition?
Thanos @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:12 pm
Considering her mother was standing right there screaming at them, trying to tell them that the girl had medical conditions, they might have opted for a couple of seconds not to go into rabid pitbull mode as their first option. There were better ways to handle that situation and they deliberately chose to go into maximum-force mode first instead of using any of the other options. This wasn't some belligerent obnoxious drunk that got booted off a plane who probably deserved to get their ass kicked, this was someone having a panic attack. If they couldn't tell the difference, especially with someone was right there trying to tell them what her problems were, then they shouldn't have that job.
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:24 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Considering her mother was standing right there screaming at them, trying to tell them that the girl had medical conditions, they might have opted for a couple of seconds not to go into rabid pitbull mode as their first option. There were better ways to handle that situation and they deliberately chose to go into maximum-force mode first instead of using any of the other options. This wasn't some belligerent obnoxious drunk that got booted off a plane who probably deserved to get their ass kicked, this was someone having a panic attack. If they couldn't tell the difference, especially with someone was right there trying to tell them what her problems were, then they shouldn't have that job.
Ramp up the rhetoric! "Screaming", "Panic Attack", "girl"...all fabrications from you to tell your story.
She's not a girl! She's a woman. No need to sell this like some "poor little girl" got abused.
So tell me, how do you do it differently? People with "panic attacks" always run from TSA guards? Did she look any different to you? She looks like most normal 19 year olds in pictures.
How do you arrest someone who's resisting arrest and running away from you and do so gently?
BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:29 pm
OTI, I only hope you get the same treatment someday and then maybe you'll evidence some sympathy for someone else.
Maybe.
Thanos @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:32 pm
I actually believe that maximum violent force by law enforcement is required as a first-option in certain instances. In this case it clearly wasn't and I want to put as much distance as possible between myself and anyone who thinks this way.
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:39 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
OTI, I only hope you get the same treatment someday and then maybe you'll evidence some sympathy for someone else.
Maybe.
Maybe.
I've been on the other hand of police brutality. Personally.
Anything else?
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:41 pm
Thanos Thanos:
I actually believe that maximum violent force by law enforcement is required as a first-option in certain instances. In this case it clearly wasn't and I want to put as much distance as possible between myself and anyone who thinks this way.
Again with the fabrications.
Was maximum forced used or did you just make up something else?
Just speak factually. No need to bullshit.
She was put to the ground and arrested. She wasn't beaten. People often get scratched up, bruises or cuts when they are taken down and arrested.
So I ask you again, how do you handle this differently?
BartSimpson @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:32 pm
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
OTI, I only hope you get the same treatment someday and then maybe you'll evidence some sympathy for someone else.
Maybe.
Maybe.
I've been on the other hand of police brutality. Personally.
Anything else?
You've committed police brutality. That explains a lot.
OnTheIce @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:34 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
You've committed police brutality. That explains a lot.
Oh, you're so clever.
I've been the victim of police brutality and all that comes after it.
Did that completely crush any point you were looking to make? Looks like it.
Thanos @ Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:36 pm
Listen to her mom and then let mom calm her down first? Don't auto deploy an NFL grade tackle on some who clearly isn't a threat to anyone? This was a girl with diminished faculties (with her guardian right there telling them so) having a panic attack surrounded by guards and cops who were under no threat to themselves, not Sammy Yatim swinging a butcher knife at everyone an enclosed bus.
Maybe you should do some explaining in turn like exactly why you think multiple guards and cops electing the most violent response first above all the other options they have against an obviously harmless person was the correct thing for them to do.