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Dude goes to a clearly angry crowd, acts like a Douche until he gets attacked, then claims victory.

   

No doubt. I mean who does the govt think they are trying to stop the unions from deciding who gets to work in the state?

I watched the CAW try and pull that shit off with Integram. Well guess what, the Unions don't get to decide who gets to work and who gets to do business with whom. I find it repulsive, to be honest, that a union like the CAW/UAW thinks it actually has that right.
Look at some of the thinking. There's a Timmy's in Windsor, On where the employees are getting paid union wages because the franchise is located in one of the hospitals, which the CAW has unionized. So, even though those employees work for Tim Hortons, they have to be paid the same as the unionized hospital workers.

One of my personal favourites was when my father was still working for the various versions of the UIC. There was a big round of layoffs from one of the Big 3. The CAW was trying to get away with TWO years of unemployment benefits, while everyone else would still only get 1 year maximum. The govt thankfully told them to go piss up a rope.

Windsor has been through some pretty rough times. The original FTA almost turned it into a ghost town. The beatings that GM and Chrysler have taken have also done some big hurt to the city. But, what has caused most of the city's woes was/is CAW Local 444, and truly added to the misery caused by the FTA.

Honda, VW and De Havilland all looked at Windsor as a place to expand. For Honda and VW especially, it was the perfect location because access to the US market was only minutes away. They all turned it down though because of the Local's well known militancy.
Right off the top of my head I can think of about another half dozen companies that moved out of Windsor because of the CAW. Some of which had been there for decades.

It's ironic because in some ways the CAW has become like the wealthy industrialists from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. At least as fas as attitude and money goes.

   

How is he acting like a douche? Sounds like you support this violence? Not surprising.

   

Yes, they did. They passed the bill with a lame duck majority (after they lost the 2010 election) and then debate of the bill was prohibited by Democrat leaders in both Houses of Congress.

Then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi famously said of the fact that no one was even allowed to read the bill before voting on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

So the bill got passed with no debate, no discussion, and no one even knew what was in it until after the Democrats passed it.

And now the Michigan Republicans are content to play by the same rules and I'm damned proud of them for having some nerve for a change.

   

Yes let's get back to the good old days, when there was no minimum wage, minimum age or pesky health standards for workers. Maybe, if we're realy lucky, we can go back to the time when workers weren't allowed to quit their jobs and had to pay company owners for the privilege of working!

You'll get your wish, I imagine. Unions in the US will be gone soone enough.

   

The Koch Brothers: we have binders full of Governors.

   

Now this actually warrants discussion!

I can't help but admit I think a lot of what your saying here is excellent criticism of current union activism. There is a large amount of political process in union spending almost all of it going to very liberal groups.

I feel that unions may have lost the one thing that made them so needed in the first place. What these unions need IMHO is to recapture the ability to fight for individual liberties and equal rights for everyone in the workplace and beyond.

Unions had a lot of traction with both women and minorities back in the day because they fought so hard to ensure they had equal pay and rights in a time when many colored folk and women had worse working condition and pay then men doing the same job. It is why at Union functions we make it a point to refer to each other as brothers and sisters.

Today as the unions spend their money on politicians we see introductions of a truly wrong human rights view coming back into the labor market unaddressed.

For example I am disgusted to admit that Saskatchewan is considering a two tier minimum wage for both young workers and the disabled here in the province. These folks do the same work as any else posted to their jobs but are now being told through pay that they are second rate citizens.

Even worse I think unions are at fault on the idea of "corporate rights" being so allowed to run free. Part of the jobs of unions is to remind the bosses that it is the employees at the end of the day that make or break your business. Part of that voice has been lost over the years.

I think unions are at deep risk of losing the things most important about the movement at it's core and most unions are so now so large and run so deep that it may be difficult indeed to cause massive change back to the former focus of human value over money.

   

CJ, it's times like this when you grasp at straws to defend liberal thuggery that your own credibility runs into the negatives. The video is what I referenced, not the source. You can find it all over the web now but don't let that stop you from making an ass out of yourself by trying to smear the messenger since the message clearly speaks for itself.



By your standard here then this post of yours attacking my character would justify my punching you in the face.

Not that I would, but where you're probably just as big a jerk in real life as you are online I look forward to someone eventually ringing your bells just because they object to your opinions.

   

I actually think the opposite. Unions started to run into trouble when they started representing "women" and "minorities" and various disadvantaged groups. They should have stuck to their knitting representing the workers paying their dues.

   

Frankly, I do look forward to getting rid of minimum wage. All too many union contracts are indexed to the minimum wage and they automatically rise with the minimum. The net effect being two-fold:

1. Any gains in minimum wage are quickly obviated by overall wage creep and inflation.

2. Governments are reluctant to raise the minimum wage to keep up with inflation because doing so will automatically impact their budgets as their union employees receive corresponding raises (where applicable).



That would not be good.

What I hope out of all of this is that unions get back to representing their members in the workplace instead of manipulating political leaders in order to steal from the public - as is going on in California where the state is expected to go bankrupt sometime in the next four to six years due to all of the union-orchestrated chicanery of the past forty years coming due.

In California it is specifically the California Teacher's Association (CTA) that has caused the most damage and because of this one union I expect the whole state to eventually go anti-union just the same as Michigan has.

Seriously, I never imagined that in my lifetime that Michigan would go against the power of the unions yet here we are.

The only ones to blame for this are the unions themselves.

   

Yep, that highly edited video definitely proves Crowder was viciously and attacked totally unprovoked...

And if his assault was so unprovoked, why didn't he bother to report it to the hundreds of cops standing around?

Further, when he was on Hannity, he admitted that he went there to prove a point about unions - the questions I have is what did he do to taunt them and how many people did he taunt before one finally took a swing at him?

I don't condone violence like this, but this was a staged event pure and simple...

   

No excuse for violence. But we've had various discussions on this forum about violence being justified for what people say. Some on this forum came out in favor of punching somebody in the face if you don't like what they say.

As far as I'm concerned tho, this is shameful on the part of the union member - assuming he really did throw the first punch.

   

They have a clause in Canada called the Rand Formula. You don't have to be involved. You can work in a union shop and not be a member - but you still get union dues deducted.
Which is fair, as the union got you those wages and benefits.
So there's no voice to the bullshit calls of "freedom" or the unions restricting your "rights".
I've worked in union shops where members actually ran as candidates in all 3 major parties. And alongside Rand workers who usually got screwed over by managers specifically because they wouldn't file grievances.

   

Yes but the union is using your dues to advance causes you don't believe in. That's what people are complaining about. I think Zip has a point, that unions should stick to representing their members in labor negotiations. But, we didn't get 40 hr week, min wages and other labor laws by unions doing that. Each union acting alone would never have achieved it - it took a concerted effort of all unions. That's where the social activism came from. I do think it's gone too far. Unions supporting Palestinians (or Israel if they did), a lot of the pc causes they get into are just bullshit, and in part is what has led to their decline.

   

Firstly Bart you missed pretty much the entire point of what I was saying. Then again considering how you personally threatened me I'll leave that matter up others. Your own incomprehension does not in any way justify violence.

Finally Zipperfish I think I wasn't clear enough in stating that I think a lot of that "fight" for minorities is too stuck up in politics and not nearly so focused on workplace which is should be. The Saskatchewan law I posted is one of those times where I meant "...and beyond."

For the most part I think we're in agreement.

   

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