On the Eve of Sarah Palin's Autobiography
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I've seen her do interviews since her retirement (not all soft), and she comes off pretty good, so if I was to add my prejudice I would vote Zeigler for the win, but based on the actual debate, I still say it was pretty even.
That was a good point Zeigler made about how it was a mistake to allow her to do interviews the MSM could edit, but Young Turk made some good points too.
Of course the MSM might catch Palin doing a "terrorist fist jab!" gasp.
Don't get near the stove if you can't handle the fire. If your fit to be president you have to learn how to handle the media.
Thanos @ Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:48 pm
The kid gloves treatment the MSM has given to Palin has to be the biggest media embarassment since the gullible days of "embedding" journalists during the Iraq invasion. She constantly gets caught in the stupidest and most insignificant little lies and no one except the internet press even bothers to investigate any of it.
that's not true at all.
SNL is a great example of the media taking jabs at Palin in spades while not even touching Biden.
But I attribute that as further proof of her lack of qualifications. You don't make skits about intelligent people because it's hard to find faults to pick on that are funny. You make fun of people with faults or stupidity that you can use.
Just look at how the MSM dealt with Dion as an example. Sarah isn't stupid. She's just totally unused to dealing with the media and unfit to hold office. Honestly she's probably every bit as intelligent as the average joe.
Now Dion there's someone stupid.
This one's short, and worth checking out...
Video: Sarah Palin on Conan

Why are most you frightened of Sarah Palin?

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
I'm scared for her mental stability. There's nothing else about her to fear - she's not intimidating, simply annoying and pathetic.
Err no. Most of the posts seem to exhibit an underlying fear. She is probably more mentally stable than the media portrays. The media seems bent on destroying her reputation. Thats the fear.
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Why are most you frightened of Sarah Palin?
I'm not frightened of Sarah Palin I'm worried that anyone out there is stupid enough to vote for her when she is obviously unfit to hold office.
I hope to convice those who would vote for her of her resounding lack of relevant skills to hold office. The US is quickly heading for two bad presidents in a row and Palin would easily be an absolute qualifier for third.
I want to see the US recover and change over the next decade to remain a major player in the world. That won't happen without a good president in office. I worry the same about Canada right now with our 58 billion of debt with our PM barely blinking an eye at it.
The US debt is over 11 trillion and estimated spending for 2010 so far is at 98% of GOP according to the us treasury. I thought it was only 6 trillion until I looked it up.
That scares the piss right out of me. Dead right out of me. Palin must NOT under any circumstance be allowed to take office or I think the US may rightly be very very doomed.
Scape @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:57 am
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Good on her!
Psudo @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:58 pm
CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
The US debt is over 11 trillion and estimated spending for 2010 so far is at 98% of GOP according to the us treasury.
That 98% figure is only true because the stimulus bill (ARRA 2009, to be formal) was left out of the official budget numbers for the year. It's $800 billion (22 percentage points) by itself. Thus, spending this year is around 120% of what it was under Bush.
CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
That scares the piss right out of me. Dead right out of me. Palin must NOT under any circumstance be allowed to take office or I think the US may rightly be very very doomed.
I completely agree with the bold section, but the rest is non sequitur. There is no connection between Palin and out-of-control spending, especially at the federal level. Alaska has a $28 billion in savings (the Permanent Fund), and is one of four states (along with Montana, North Dakota, and Wyoming) expected to have no deficit at all in 2010 [
source].
Thanos @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:15 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Why are most you frightened of Sarah Palin?
1) She belongs to nutcase apocalyptic church.
2) Through her husband's connections to an Alaskan secessionist party, she can be seen as sympathetic to states-rights/anti-federal government groups.
3) She lies constantly to the point where no single story she spins is ever told the same way twice.
4) Her "biography', which HarperCollins publishing didn't fact-check, was co-written by another far right-wing female "conservative" nut, Lynn Vincent, who has connections of her own to quasi-racist/white supremacist/neo-Confederate groups through her association with the openly racist radical blogger Robert Stacy McCain (no relation to John McCain).
5) Her "biography", in contrast to those of other genuine conservative figures like Ronald Reagan, contains almost zero intellectual or philosophical reasoning that should be used to propel conservatism forward. In contrast, Palin's story is a multi-hundreds page screed blasting John McCain's campaign staff, media figures who dared to ask her the "wrong" questions, and anyone else who ended up on her personal enemies list. This isn't a trait that normally would be associated with a politician who is intellectually and philosophically ready to take higher office, it's traits that are correctly associated with a paranoid narcissist that should be kept out of higher office at all cost.
6) By the time she quit halfway through her term as governor, both Alaskan Democrats and Republicans had come to see her as an administrator who was literally impossible to deal with, thanks almost entirey to her obsessive prediliction to use of the power of the governor's office to engage in petty revenge against her enemies.
Other better people than myself can list many more other examples of why the Quittah From Wasilla is totally unfit to go anywhere near the Office of the President. But my own opinion is that this borderline crazy woman is actively dangerous. If she were to become President the best thing that would occur would be a repeat of the Nixon years, except without any of the substance that the pre-Watergate Richard Nixon brought along with him. I don not see how Sarah Palin can appeal to any person except to those who see her as the best weapon of brutal culture revenge to be wielded against the left wing of American politics.
I was in McNally Robinson yesterday and saw her tome. I wonder how many are being sold in Canada? There were only a few copies out and people were not gathering about the display.
Psudo @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:04 pm
Thanos Thanos:
1) She belongs to nutcase apocalyptic church.
Wikipedia lists her as "non-denominational Christian" with two sources. She was previously Pentecostal and Roman Catholic each in turn. Are you going to accuse her of eating her diety, too?
Thanos Thanos:
2) Through her husband's connections to an Alaskan secessionist party, she can be seen as sympathetic to states-rights/anti-federal government groups.
Her husband's 7-year obsolete registration in the Alaska Independence Party does not link her to every states rights group out there. It barely connects her to that specific one.
Thanos Thanos:
3) She lies constantly to the point where no single story she spins is ever told the same way twice.
She uses exaggeration and hyperbole and doesn't necessarily change her mind when confronted with conflicting evidence, much like you are currently doing.
Thanos Thanos:
4) Her "biography', which HarperCollins publishing didn't fact-check, was co-written by another far right-wing female "conservative" nut, Lynn Vincent, who has connections of her own to quasi-racist/white supremacist/neo-Confederate groups through her association with the openly racist radical blogger Robert Stacy McCain (no relation to John McCain).
Palin has a vague connection to someone (Vincent) who has a vague connection to someone (Robert McCain) who claims he resisted a takeover of a group (League of the South) by a white-supremist faction. [
source] That's more of a wild accusation than a evidential conviction.
As for the publisher not fact-checking it, publishers rarely fact-check biographies. Obama's autobiographies, for example, weren't fact-checked either.
Thanos Thanos:
5) Her "biography", in contrast to those of other genuine conservative figures like Ronald Reagan, contains almost zero intellectual or philosophical reasoning that should be used to propel conservatism forward.
So I've heard. But, since you brought it up, how much of that is the writing style of Lynn Vincent and how much is Palin's own style?
Thanos Thanos:
6) By the time she quit halfway through her term as governor, both Alaskan Democrats and Republicans had come to see her as an administrator who was literally impossible to deal with, thanks almost entirey to her obsessive prediliction to use of the power of the governor's office to engage in petty revenge against her enemies.
There are two factions in Alaska: one saying essentially the same thing you say here, and one claiming she's been a successful and popular governor who has been the target of a mud-slinging campaign by the first group (often defined as people who have her on their enemies lists). At the time of her resignation, no governor had a higher approval rating among their constituents despite their much closer connection to the local reporting of the controversies. Believe what you like, but it's not obvious either way.
Thanos Thanos:
Other better people than myself can list many more other examples of why the Quittah From Wasilla is totally unfit to go anywhere near the Office of the President.
I eagerly anticipate their arguments.
Thanos @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:17 pm
I'll be sure to get a few of these into the mail for some of you guys before Christmas:
