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The difference between us, is that I openly admit my dislike of muslims while you dance around and dodge and weave to convince yourself that you aren't prejudiced which your own posting history shows what a hypocrite you are.

   

Funny how I never encountered those little enclaves where you couldn't get served in English. Served in good English, that's another story...
Given the nature of Canada, it takes a generation. You wont see Chinese only signs in Richmond, the server will speak English as well as you and I and their names will be on our team's jerseys like has always happened.
But none of them now refuse service because you're white, black or gay.

   

When you walk into a Chinese restaurant, the menu is in Chinese and nobody speaks English, you can't get service in English. With some immigrant groups, we've attained critical mass, where there is no more pressure to learn English or fit in. With continued huge immigration every year, this won't change, it becomes easier for groups to just form enclaves and stay that way. You say it takes a generation, but when this continues generation after generation, it's a different story. Before, we opened and closed the doors as needed - not anymore.

Vancouver is talking about getting another million immigrants in the next 25 years. Our transportation system is struggling now, and we just voted down paying for improvements. How will we get around? Where will these people live - everybody resists densification, but we are hemmed in the water and mountains. We've moved from 2 ethnic enclaves to 30. Vancouver and Toronto are expected to take in 85% of all new immigrants. This is a recipe for disaster. If we can't convince immigrants to move to areas of Canada that actually need people, we should be cutting way back on immigration. Hell, bribe them, they get say 10k if they stay in regions that need people for 5 years.

   

The joys if a small town. The Chinese restaurand menu is in English, they speak English, their kids go to the same schools as mine and they hire locals, when they hire. Most are mom-and-pop shops (restaurants ) tho.

Get out of the ghetto that a big city is and see how different the world can be

   

The non-joys... You get nowhere without a car. No transport system whatsoever.

   

Never encountered that, though once in Richmond the menu was in Chinese. They had no English so I made the waitress translate and sometimes pointed to other people's dishes.
I disagree with offering an incentive to immigrants. They should HAVE TO live outside the Metros for 5 years. Solve a lot of problems that way for smaller towns.
Gets pretty bad when the 2nd generation at the local takeout has forgotten what Chinese food is and think those greasy lumps of dough are what they're supposed to eat.
The local 'cowboys and indians' never have and never will even try to eat something different. At one time there were over 500 EIs here and if you didn't get invited to dinner you had to drive 100 miles for butter chicken.
Quit griping cuz there's fuck all to complain about service and selection until you go Beyond Hope...
And don't pin it all on immigrants. What about the rest of you, you like traffic, tolls, gas tax, shitting bricks and not getting ahead? But you won't move away either!

   

I've lived in a number of small towns. You might try spending time in the big smoke to see how different it can be.

But the main deal isn't enclaves and such, it's just people flooding in. Even if they were all 5th generation Canadian, if they all decided to move to Toronto or Vancouver, it's still a problem.

   

We signed a UN contract that means we can't force people where to live - so that's a non-starter.

I have no idea what EI's are.

So in your last paragraph, you're basically saying that people who have lived her all their lives should have to move to make room for newcomers? We didn't used to have traffic, tolls, etc. It all comes from too many people flooding in. Housing thru the roof, while median income is below national average. That's what happens when you open the floodgates.

   

EI = East Indian
And no, no one should force you, you wouldn't move with a $10,000 incentive either. You'se people LIKE to live like that....

   

I read elsewhere that the bakers in question didn't just refuse to take the job but that they also gave out the addresses and phone numbers of the wedding couple and encouraged others of the fundie church mindset to harass them. I won't say any more than that until someone confirms it but if it's true then that was one hell of a fucked up thing to do and if they did it then they kind of don't deserve much sympathy for the fine that was levelled against them.

   

I read that, as well. The bakers published the address of the gay couple on Facebook, and they were inundated with death threats and hate mail.

   

Because that's the Christian way.

Christians accept everyone, except if you're gay. Gay people don't count.

   

These bakers cited their "deeply-held religious beliefs".
Deeply-held beliefs, my rosy red ass! The bakers have pierced ears and he has tattoos - forbidden by the bible. They agreed to make cakes for a dog wedding, divorce parties, an out-of-wedlock birth, and a solstice celebration.
Homosexuality is mentioned in the bible maybe twice. The sin of gluttony is mentioned about 40 times. Do they refuse to sell pies, cakes and cookies to the morbidly obese? I'm guessing...not so much.
Spare me this crap about your religious beliefs. You're just hiding behind your bible to discriminate against people you don't like.
You're not fooling anyone.

   

How about a whole fucking city? What are you going to say about this, hmmm?

   

You have that in the US? Wow.

   

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