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N_Fiddledog @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:37 am

There were some non-white faces at the massive rally that marched on Washington this weekend. Most however were white. Why is that?

   



martin14 @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:56 am

75% of the US is white.

This recession has hurt the middle class ( white ) very hard.

This is a tax protest, not a race protest.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:06 am

Good points Martin. I should have added options for Other Explanations - Racist, Not Necessarily Racist, and Not Racist.

   



saturn_656 @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:26 am

Why is the question of "racism" being raised here at all?

   



xerxes @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:22 am

Mainly because the crowd is so homogenuous. My opinion isn't on the list however.

I woudl say that while racism isn't the primary motivating factor in these protests, it most likely is a subtle part of it. Again, if you listen to people like Limbaugh and Beck, et al., they do use some racially loaded language. Beck has said that the health care reform plan is a modern form of reparations and has also called Obama a racist. And Limbaugh says pretty much the same thing every day and would call Obama a nigger if he knew he could get away with it.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:31 am

saturn_656 saturn_656:
Why is the question of "racism" being raised here at all?


You mean like, how did I get the idea?

From here actually

I personally think using the issue is often just another way the left tells the right to shut up. "You have no point. Your ideology is grounded in racism" is what they're really saying. When they're losing an argument they start screaming racism. The "massive" turnout at the Washington rally was an example of the left starting to lose the argument. Their reply - racism.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there actually is rational grounding for the premise contemporary conservatism is driven by racism.

This tea party movement in the states seems like a convenient place to stop, and study the question. Is there actually anything to the racist Right argument. Are the white racists who may appear at tea party rallies more indicative of broad political ideology based racism, than say the "get Whitey" black racists, like Van Jones and Jeremiah Wright, who turned up during Obamamania. Or is playing the racism card just another childish trick of argument?

   



Proculation @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:40 am

martin's answer is quite good. White people are the most affected. There's no racism at all.

   



Zipperfish @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:43 am

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
[. Or is playing the racism card just another childish trick of argument?


Perhaps you could simply write it off as such, but there must be some reason the crowd is--or appears to be--so different from a random demographic sample.

   



Zipperfish @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:44 am

Proculation Proculation:
White people are the most affected.


Do you have any evidence to support this contention?

   



N_Fiddledog @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:53 am

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
[. Or is playing the racism card just another childish trick of argument?


Perhaps you could simply write it off as such, but there must be some reason the crowd is--or appears to be--so different from a random demographic sample.


So what is that reason then? Are you saying all of those hundreds of thousands were racists, some were racists, or were they led there by racists? The rally was open. Non-whites were free to attend. Some did. Why did so many choose not to?

   



CommanderSock @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:56 am

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
[. Or is playing the racism card just another childish trick of argument?


Perhaps you could simply write it off as such, but there must be some reason the crowd is--or appears to be--so different from a random demographic sample.


So what is that reason then? Are you saying all of those hundreds of thousands were racists, some were racists, or were they led there by racists? The rally was open. Non-whites were free to attend. Some did. Why did so many choose not to?


Most of those attending did not vote for Obama.

I bet the attendees of these protests were quiet during the last 8 years.

   



Zipperfish @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:00 am

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
So what is that reason then? Are you saying all of those hundreds of thousands were racists, some were racists, or were they led there by racists? The rally was open. Non-whites were free to attend. Some did. Why did so many choose not to?


Some certainly are racists, based on the signs I saw, and some comments by organizers and supporters. Certainly not all. I'd be as interested as anyone to know why.

   



ridenrain @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:01 am

Good video. Thank for posting that.

   



N_Fiddledog @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:11 am

CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Most of those attending did not vote for Obama.


Assuming your correct, why not? Is it because because they were racists?

$1:
I bet the attendees of these protests were quiet during the last 8 years.


Let's take the sub-section of the Washington rally crowd known as Beck-heads. Beck was loudly critical of the Bush administration during those years. I personally remember hearing him rail against the mis-guided direction the economy was headed. He predicted disaster. Or how about Malkinites. I heard Michelle Malkin speaking derogatorily of Bush's administration just yesterday. I believe she always had complaints.

So assuming the insinuation is the attendees were racist based on the idea they could only be critical of a black president does that mean the Beck-heads, and the Malkinites get a pass?

   



CommanderSock @ Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:20 am

$1:


Assuming your correct, why not? Is it because because they were racists?


It's complicated. I can imagine most are not. But like all crowds, there's a few loudmouth bad apples in every fruit basket that can taint the cleaner ones.

There are still powerful racial overtones that have been reverberating since the election in November. The resurgence of the southern nationalism is a glaring symptom of this.

So are the protesters racist? Well, are Obama's voters racist? Only they know.


$1:
Let's take the sub-section of the Washington rally crowd known as Beck-heads. Beck was loudly critical of the Bush administration during those years. I personally remember hearing him rail against the mis-guided direction the economy was headed. He predicted disaster. Or how about Malkinites. I heard Michelle Malkin speaking derogatorily of Bush's administration just yesterday. I believe she always had complaints.

So assuming the insinuation is the attendees were racist based on the idea they could only be critical of a black president does that mean the Beck-heads, and the Malkinites get a pass?


Beck only started bashing Bush when it was popular.

Beck like most commercial pundits panders to his crowd, he knows what ratings are.

   



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