Republican Fraud
Rev_Blair @ Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:47 am
Rev_Blair @ Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:09 am
Kerry conceded, so the results can't be changed.
It still needs to be investigated though. Think about it, the US can't have a democratic election until they fix their system. That means that no matter who wins, Democrat or Republican, the results will always be suspect.
Gonzo @ Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:16 am
In alot of countries you know right away who won, but in the States it takes a day, or a few weeks. What is wrong with their proccess?
vic_ticious @ Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:28 am
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In alot of countries you know right away who won, but in the States it takes a day, or a few weeks. What is wrong with their proccess?
lmao cause im sure your not serious, are you? 330 million people voting on the same day and you decry the fact it takes a day to tally.
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C'mon Rev...enough with the sore loser bullcrap, its kind of pathetic. The man won get over it.
I agree with most of this except for the use of the word "kind" Its not kind of pathetic at all. Its childish, boorish and very pathetic. Get over it already. Go clean a corner where bulldawg can lay down.
Rev_Blair @ Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:08 pm
Bullshit, Vic. A country that cannot hold fair and democratic elections is on its way to becoming a failed state. It's some that should concern everybody because a failed state the size of the United States is a danger to the entire world.
It isn't just sour grapes either. If the Republicans had won they'd be screaming that the fix was in a liberal press undermined and the Democrats didn't have a mandate from almost half of the population. Again, the system would be in doubt.
It needs to be fixed. The first step would be taking away the states' control over the electoral process and installing a national system overseen by a non-partisan group.
Gonzo @ Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:43 pm
Americans have no problem telling everyone else what to do. Liberal minded people are a majority in Canada and 49% in the United States. And thats of the people who had there votes counted. So there are probably more liberal thinking people in the US. Right wing people don't have a worldly point of view. The environment, the poor, and what is generaly going on in the world doesn't register with them. Thats why the whole world wanted Bush out. The people who voted for him are idiots.
Zenfisher @ Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:23 am
I was talking to a lawyer yesterday, it does not matter that Kerry conceded. The vote is still being counted and it has not ratified. It is still conceivable that Kerry could be declared the winner. If you look at Kerry's concession speech he did not so much as concede but congratulate Bush.
Sorry, Ugly American. I don't know what it is, I insist on talking to people rather than following polls or stats. ( I know UA isn't in this thread but at some point I'm sure hewill show up.)
Gonzo @ Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:46 am
Why is it Republicans have no problem sticking there nose in other peoples business but cant take it when other countries offer there advice? I believe all countries should offer advice. Right wing way of thinking is so hypocritical. If you dont understand whats going on in the world you shouldn't be leading a country. Godz said (Your right...they have an individual point of view. As in...mind your own business. You have no right telling me how to live my life as long as I'm not hurting anyone. ) This sums it up for me. So your saying Bush isn't bombing a poor nation to the ground, killing more people then 9/11? It's dangerous when ignorant people are in charge.
Scape @ Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:41 pm
Florida's statistically incredible vote tallies
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What’s remarkable about Bush’s increase over the last two elections is that Democrats have done an impressive job boosting their own voter turnout from 1996 to 2004. Over this period, candidates Al Gore and John Kerry increased Democratic turnout by about 18 percent, from roughly 47.5 million votes in 1996 to nearly 56 million in 2004.
Even if one were to estimate that 100 percent of these Evangelical voters turned out for Bush in 2004 and that 100 percent of Bush’s 2000 supporters turned out again for him, this still leaves about 5 million new Bush voters unaccounted for.
Beyond southern Florida, Bush took turnout throughout the state to a new level, testing the bounds of statistical probability by winning votes seemingly from every corner of the state, from the panhandle to the Gulf Coast, from the I-4 corridor to the Atlantic Coast from Jacksonville to Miami.
While it's conceivable Bush might have achieved these and other gains through his hardball campaign strategies and strong get-out-the-vote effort, many Americans, looking at these and other statistically incredible Bush vote counts, are likely to continue to suspect that the Republicans put a thumb on the electoral scales, somehow exaggerating Bush's tallies through manipulation of computer tabulations.
Only an open-minded investigation with public scrutiny would have much hope of quelling these rising suspicions.
Even if one were to estimate that 100 percent of these Evangelical voters turned out for Bush in 2004 and that 100 percent of Bush’s 2000 supporters turned out again for him, this still leaves about 5 million new Bush voters unaccounted for.
Beyond southern Florida, Bush took turnout throughout the state to a new level, testing the bounds of statistical probability by winning votes seemingly from every corner of the state, from the panhandle to the Gulf Coast, from the I-4 corridor to the Atlantic Coast from Jacksonville to Miami.
While it's conceivable Bush might have achieved these and other gains through his hardball campaign strategies and strong get-out-the-vote effort, many Americans, looking at these and other statistically incredible Bush vote counts, are likely to continue to suspect that the Republicans put a thumb on the electoral scales, somehow exaggerating Bush's tallies through manipulation of computer tabulations.
Only an open-minded investigation with public scrutiny would have much hope of quelling these rising suspicions.
When the democratic process is suspect the cost of freedom is eternal vigilance. A price that has not become blase' to the people who will be fighting and dying for it. Simply lying down and taking it is an option the media can do but for the public, that turned out in record numbers and knows they will be paying the price in blood, that simply is not a viable option. When the exit polls in states without voting machines are accurate to the final vote tally and in the states with the voting machines they lean sharply for Bush, this alone should be grounds for an audit of the voting machines integrity and the election itself. Yes, there is a reason the vote count didn't match any of the exit polls. We're talking about exit polls done by several different agencies. In Palm Beach County over 8,000 more people voted than were registered to vote. In Ohio and other places thousands of votes were lost. This is Democracy's last breath. It is dying and no one cares as long as their stooge gets elected. But how can they? Even the other New World Order Goon: Kerry doesn't care. Kerry is and has been part of the problem. The US had 2 candidates but one choice. All of the information is out there but people are afraid to wake up or afraid to admit it matters. Look at the laws they are passing and what they are doing. What is in store for all of us (including Canada) is infinitely worse than anything we've ever seen before.
Rev_Blair @ Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:20 am
Paul Cellucci and several members of Bush's cabinet have been sticking their nose into our business ever since Bush first stole the White House.
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Sticking their noses in other people's business? We had an election last summer Gonzo...did you see any Republicans telling us what to do? And Leftists were not offering "advice", you were basicaly calling their supporters dumb, rednecks, war criminals..and so on.
Paul Cellucci and several members of Bush's cabinet have been sticking their nose into our business ever since Bush first stole the White House. They've felt free to comment on everything from our pot laws to gay marriage.
We were calling their supporters dumb rednecks because their supporters are dumb rednecks, Godz. Go look in the mirror for a sample of what one looks like.
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Countries should mind their own fucking business and try to fix their own problems rather than telling the Americans what to do.
In case you haven't been paying attention, Bush's policies have effects far outside of the United States. When some brain-damaged Texan starts making the world a more dangerous place, the world tends to talk back.
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How? entertain me..how is it hypcritical?
You can look at my first point for one example. Consider the decidedly unChristian actions of the Christian right for another. How about Georgie wrapping himself in the flag even as he works to destroy the rights and freedoms in the US Constitution.
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Oh Bush understands the way the world works. Its just not similar to your opinion and THAT's your problem.
No, Bush does not understand the way the world works. That's why he went into Iraq illegally. That's why he went into Iraq without an exit plan. That's why he stands up and says stupid things like, "With us or agin us."
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Yes...the "poor nation" which paid thousands of dollars to families of suicide bombers in Israel, harbored terrorist groups like Abu Nidal, and where its leaders lived in Luxury while its people were starving. As for the casulaties...freedom has a price...the US killed more Japanese than those who died in Pearl Harbour but you don't hear liberals bitching about that...could it be becuase the US was fighting alongside "Uncle" Joe Stalin?
Comparisons between WWII and the actions of the Bush administration really only work if you cast Georgie in role of Hitler.
vic_ticious @ Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:26 pm
Your double standards are absolutely hilarious, really.
Take a moment to view the following article claiming to quote Dick Morris in "support" of its theory that the election was stolen. He implies that Dick Morris agrees with him, that the exit polls were right and what happened was voter fraud.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
Then feel free to read the actual Dick Morris article here in which he implies that the exit polls were the wrong ones and were undermined by the Democrats.
http://www.hillnews.com/morris/110404.aspx
However, I do not bring this to your attention for comment on voter fraud but ask, is this how "progressivism" is to win its battle by straight up dishonesty?
Furthermore, I'll tell you this, if the Democrats try to get on this train they'll be looking at one very large derailment in 2006