WHY FREEDOM OF SPEECH SHOULD APPLY TO GOOGLE, FACEBOOK et al
raydan @ Thu May 16, 2019 10:50 am
Facebook isn't a monopoly, there are other social media sites.
Google isn't a monopoly either.
peck420 @ Thu May 16, 2019 10:51 am
stratos stratos:
Not sure where the other companies are based out of but for FaceBook. It is a US based company and thus will fall under USA laws. Kind of like how once Google started working in China they have to follow China's laws for what is searched for within China's boarders. Or do I have that wrong about Google and China?
They must respect the laws of the country they are operating in, for their operations.
Which is why FB was fined $5 B by the FTC for privacy breaches.
What is currently being asked is for them to be held to the same laws as your government, not the same laws as every other business.
Too be honest, I am not a fan of social media, which is why I don't participate in it. But, I don't see how removing rights will resolve it, nor how that will stop rights erosion across the remainder of the board.
peck420 @ Thu May 16, 2019 10:52 am
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Wanna bet?
Yes.
Business follows money. Social media is the calling card of the middle class.
World's largest middle class is now China, and India will follow soon.
They are already one foot out the door.
DrCaleb @ Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 am
peck420 peck420:
The sites in question are far more dependent on the work of an Englishman than anything else.
The internet, without http is nothing to the average user. Literally, nothing.
The internet, without http is nothing to the average user. Literally, nothing.
Point of order - "The Web" is a subset of "The Internet". Sir Tim Berners-Lee added a protocol to an already existing array of protocols that make up "The internet".
I don't know why you argue with them Peck. They don't understand the scope they are arguing.
I own my house. You own yours. I can't come to your house and practice my 'free speech' on your lawn, and you are under no obligation to allow me to. "The Internet" is just the transport medium (roads) that let me go from my house to your house. The 'houses' are computers connected by that transport medium.
'Google' is a collection of computers. They own those servers. They pay a lot of money to maintain and run those servers. CKA is owned by Trevor. He pays to run CKA.
The owners decide what goes on in the properties they own, and they are under no obligation to do SFA to anyone or their 'rights'.
raydan @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 am
Fiddle is now arguing about monopolies, since all his other arguments have been debunked. 
peck420 @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:00 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Point of order - "The Web" is a subset of "The Internet". Sir Tim Berners-Lee added a protocol to an already existing array of protocols that make up "The internet".
I am well aware. I am also well aware of how many "users" there were pre-http. And how many users there are now.
Http made the internet available to the masses. Take away the masses, and the internet is nothing. No e-commerce, no social media, etc. Also, significantly harder to monetize the operation without the http add-on.
$1:
I don't know why you argue with them Peck. They don't understand the scope they are arguing.
Honestly...boredom.
raydan @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:03 am
He's like Shocky... although Fiddle's interests are a bit wider.
Both make me laugh.
I miss Shocky 
DrCaleb @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:08 am
peck420 peck420:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Point of order - "The Web" is a subset of "The Internet". Sir Tim Berners-Lee added a protocol to an already existing array of protocols that make up "The internet".
I am well aware. I am also well aware of how many "users" there were pre-http. And how many users there are now.
Http made the internet available to the masses. Take away the masses, and the internet is nothing. No e-commerce, no social media, etc. Also, significantly harder to monetize the operation without the http add-on.
I wasn't sure if you knew or not. I don't mean to geek-splain, but I just had to be sure.
We got along just fine with Archie, Betty and Veronica!
The University of Kiev ran an Archie server up until a few years ago, and Firefox still supported the URLs. Ahh, the days!peck420 peck420:
$1:
I don't know why you argue with them Peck. They don't understand the scope they are arguing.
Honestly...boredom.
Nothing could make me that bored anymore. I'd rather sort the cables in boxes in the server room than subject myself to the inevitable insults that will follow you tearing down arguments with facts.
raydan raydan:
Fiddle is now arguing about monopolies, since all his other arguments have been debunked.
In 3 . . 2 . . 1 . .
DrCaleb @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:09 am
raydan raydan:
I miss Shocky
Aim better.
stratos @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:14 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
raydan raydan:
I miss Shocky
Aim better.
stratos @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:16 am
For here in the US I think one of the problems with censorship issue is the term Social MEDIA ppl see that and instantly think of them as being the same as news media. Thus the people posting are like news papers and here it is FB not allowing their content thus FB "the Gov." is censoring them.
DrCaleb @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:21 am
stratos stratos:
For here in the US I think one of the problems with censorship issue is the term Social MEDIA ppl see that and instantly think of them as being the same as news media. Thus the people posting are like news papers and here it is FB not allowing their content thus FB "the Gov." is censoring them.
They forget the preamble to your constitution, stating that it's a list of the things the Government may not do. Doesn't say Facebook or Twitter have to.
stratos @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:23 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
stratos stratos:
For here in the US I think one of the problems with censorship issue is the term Social MEDIA ppl see that and instantly think of them as being the same as news media. Thus the people posting are like news papers and here it is FB not allowing their content thus FB "the Gov." is censoring them.
They forget the preamble to your constitution, stating that it's a list of the things the Government may not do. Doesn't say Facebook or Twitter have to.
But IT's MEDIA even the MEDIA calls it Social MEDIA
DrCaleb @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
stratos stratos:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
stratos stratos:
For here in the US I think one of the problems with censorship issue is the term Social MEDIA ppl see that and instantly think of them as being the same as news media. Thus the people posting are like news papers and here it is FB not allowing their content thus FB "the Gov." is censoring them.
They forget the preamble to your constitution, stating that it's a list of the things the Government may not do. Doesn't say Facebook or Twitter have to.
But IT's MEDIA even the MEDIA calls it Social MEDIA
I recall the axiom "Any large group of people are mostly idiots." Or as George said:
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.” ― George Carlin
raydan @ Thu May 16, 2019 11:33 am
The bigger the group, the lower the average IQ.
So that's why we're such a small group here. ![[cheer]](./images/smilies/icon_cheers.gif "Cheer"){kind=icon}