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For some reason I want to know which members are left holding the bag in the PC debacle. Just looking for how many members, what ridings & what do they see as their future.

   

Battle River Wainwright, voted Wildrose. What else did you want to know?

   

Calgary-Glenmore, voted Dipper for the sake of revenge against PC corruption. Might vote WRP in the upcoming byelection they'll probably have to hold because of the tie that happened here, not because I believe in the WRP but because a larger opposition against that huge Dipper majority would be healthier for the overall democracy. Complain about the WRP all you want but before Danielle Smith did the Benedict Arnold routine on her own party the WRP had provided the best opposition this province had seen since Laurence Decore led the Liberals.

I'm not much of a leftie. I believe in basic fairness and keeping the system clean, which the Dippers allegedly stand for, but I don't want anything else to do with them (especially the federal NDP) because of their tendency to veer off into full blown European style socialism. My main concern about the Dipper victory will be if fees and taxes go up too much. I'm not worried about the bloviating from the oil company head offices, but municipal fees and taxes have gone up far too much in the last decade (especially in Calgary) and someone has to put the brakes on this from going much further or the whole damn province is going to become too expensive for the average person (e.g. me) to live in.

   

I guess maybe I should have worded my questions better.

"How many pc MlA'S were elected/re-elected? Who are they"?

   

Answered my own ?

The PCs will need to pick an interim leader in time for a $500-per-plate leader's dinner scheduled in Calgary for May 14.

The party's remaining MLAs include: Manmet Bhullar, Ric McIver, Dave Rodney, Sandra Jansen, Rick Fraser, Mike Ellis, Wayne Drysdale, Richard Starke, Linda Johnson and newcomer Richard Gotfried, who won in Calgary-Fish Creek.

Matthew Dykstra-Edm Sun

   

Election results:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/alberta-election-results-2015-live
Elections Alberta - Election Results
The second link is directly from the horse's mouth. However, it's just numbers, elected MLAs don't jump out. The map on the National Post website (first link) is colour-coded by party, so you can see which ridings/constituencies are PC, then look up candidate names in the second link.

   

Next ? is who do 'you' think will be chosen to lead them back to the promised land?

   

I live in Manitoba. We've had an NDP provincial government since September 1999. They've gotten as bad as any party: corrupt. Last year they increased PST from 7% to 8%. That paid for increased salaries for MLAs, cabinet minsters and premier, and senior bureaucrats. And we had a couple representing a group of seniors who complained about having to pay school tax for their cottage. So part of the PST hike was to eliminate school tax for seniors, primarily school tax on cottages for seniors.

I've heard some PC party members claim all school tax is bad, that all public school is bad, that all parents should send their children to private school. I looked at the budget for my school division: take the budget, subtract how much the province provides, then divide by the number of students in that school division. The result is $9,975 per child per year. If parents had to pay that, it would be in addition to what they currently pay. Add a little to pay for cost of collections, and you get $10,000 per child per year in addition to what parents pay now. For every year from kindergarten through grade 12. There's no way young parents could afford that! And you can't just decide not to send children to school. The whole idea of school tax is to spread the cost out so it's affordable. That means everyone with property pays; whether you're 18 years old and just starting adult life, or a senior in a nursing home. If you can afford to own property (most at both age extremes don't), then you pay. Regardless of how many children you have, or if you have children. Any senior who complains: the reason they have to pay now is because they paid so little while their children were in school.

So I object to increasing PST just to increase salaries of MLAs, and to eliminate tax on cottages. Most low income people have difficulty paying for a home, much less owning a second summer house. That's what a cottage is.

I'm sure the NDP in Alberta are just starting, the first time they've tasted power ever in that province. But realize they're like any other party. Eventually they'll become just as bad as the NDP here.

   

None of those listed will do the trick. Ric McIver tried to become the leader and people were scared off by his association with an anti-gay preacher. Most of the rest are decent enough, but not charismatic enough to lead the party out of the wilderness.

I watched Doug Horner on election night and I think he called it correctly - somewhere along the way the Progressive Conservatives forgot to be progressive and that's what cost them the election. I think Doug Horner would be a great guy to lead the party, but he has baggage from the Redford era, so I don't know if voters would forgive and forget so easily.

People are already talking about uniting the right, but as it stands, I don't think either party has a realistic chance of forming a government.

The PCs have way too much baggage and will probably get buried when the closet is opened and all the skeletons from their 44 year reign are revealed. The Wildrose simply doesn't have enough support in the cities to get a majority, especially if the social conservatives raise their ugly heads during the next four years (like they did with GSAs) - then it'll be 'Lake of Fire' all over again in the next election and their goose will get cooked again.

   

Aside from McGyver... I don't recognize any of the other names, but if the pc's really are serious about rebuilding then they better get back to grass roots with new blood. They can't afford to be carrying any baggage or stench.

   

I don't know. I joined the federal Liberals when Paul Martin was leader. The Liberals pulled me into joining the provincial party. However, Jon Gerrard was forced to resign after he was unable to get other Liberals elected after several elections. They chose Rana Bokhari. Her background is fund raising. She's never been elected to anything. Last year the Manitoba PC leader released an alternate budget, he called for rolling back the PST hike. Rana criticized that, saying she wouldn't roll-back the PST. She wanted to defend funding for infrastructure. That means she'll just spend the money a different way. She's more focused on fund raising for the bureaucracy than for citizens/voters. I feel any party leader should first get elected, and since the only Manitoba Liberal MLA is Jon Gerrard, I supported him. But after Rana released that statement through the media, I chose to simply not renew my provincial party membership. I renewed my federal party membership, but not provincial. The next Manitoba election will be spring of 2016; PC leader Brian Pallister will be our next premier. I don't know him, I've never been a member of any party other than the Liberals, but that's just reality.

Several NDP provincial cabinet ministers realized this after the last bi-election. They forced a leadership review. However, the NDP chose to retain their current leader. Everyone I know interprets this as realizing they will lose the next election, that Greg Selinger must be held to blame. He will stay at the helm as the party goes down.

I have several relatives in Alberta. My mother's sister and her husband (my aunt & uncle) are stanch Conservatives. And I lived in Calgary for two work contracts: November 1995 - June 1996, and July-September 1997. So I know a little about Alberta. But I've never been involved in Alberta politics. I have no idea who will "lead them back to the promised land".

   

Despite the recent words to the contrary, in time the PC's will be the junior partner to the WRP just as the decimated post-Mulroney PC's became the junior partner to the Canadian Alliance party. The Alberta PC's don't have much of a leg to stand on. The corporate money they usually received will start going to the WRP, and despite the Smith defection WRP funding remained relatively stable and kept the party from buckling altogether. The WRP might never move beyond it's narrow political focus but it's support both in terms of votes and funding is deeper than assumed. They'll be the sole conservative force in Alberta before too long and any recalcitrant PC's are going to have to hold their noses and go along with the WRP, or leave organized conservatism behind altogether and join the Dippers or possibly the Alberta Party.

What will happen over the next couple of years will be a period of divisions and dividing lines being more sharply defined. Any mix of progressivism and conservatism in Alberta is now dead. The WRP might be smart enough to move on some issues towards the centre but there's enough of them enamoured of that Tea Party nonsense from the US, as well as being egged on by the lunatics at the SUN papers, that on economic issues they're just going to double-down on the right-wingism. This leaves the bulk of the centre for the Dippers to co-opt, and that will be the first thing they should do if they want to genuinely differentiate themselves from the far-leftism of the federal NDP.

   

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Thanks,

   

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Why, yes, you are.

   

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