Canada Kicks Ass
The Sickness of Canadian Anti-Americanism

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ManifestDestiny @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:42 pm

This is for Steaker and Bill_Hicks



Canadian anti-Americanism has always been a perfect reflection of the pathological nature of anti-Americanism as a whole. Indeed, in Canada, where I am a citizen and have grown up most of my life, anti-Americanism has literally defined the national identity and culture of this country – and in the most repulsive and embarrassing ways.


This reality explains why Mark Kingwell’s recent column “What distinguishes us from Americans,” in Canada’s national newspaper, the National Post, infuriated me as immensely as it did.

Kingwell defends the reality that much of Canadian identity has been built on Canada defining itself in opposition to the United States. He writes, “I have never understood why this is considered inadequate or feeble. If you were the only dissenter in a room holding a dozen people, standing up and saying `I’m not the same as you’ would be a clear mark of moral courage.”

Really?

Suppose this scenario occurs during the Second World War and the other eleven people want to stop Hitler in his tracks and to prevent the Nazification of the world and the mass genocide of Jews. Would exhibiting your “independence” for the sake of fulfilling your little-brother complex be a mark of “moral courage”?

Many Canadian nationalists think so.

The analogy I use above perfectly suits the embarrassing and immoral behaviour of Canadian nationalists throughout the Cold War, especially under the leadership of Pierre Trudeau, when anti-Americanism was seen as being more cutting-edge than confronting and fighting the genocidal Soviet regime.

This psychic illness is founded on Canada’s desperate desire to be “different” than the Americans -- a result of Canada being built on the “counter-revolution.” When the British colonies revolted against their masters in 1776, Canadians became the first anti-Americans. Canada is based on anti-Americanism. Without anti-Americanism -- as one author has quipped -- Canada would cease to exist.

While Kingwell conspicuously avoids the issue of how bearing the mark of “moral courage” translated into many Canadian nationalists engaging in Gulag denial during the Cold War, the historical record stands firmly in place: the Soviet regime was an expansionist and totalitarian regime that exterminated millions of its own people. Consequently, as the de-classified documents from the Soviet archives now prove, the Canadian nationalists who demonized the United States, and exonerated the Soviet Union, in the Cold War, for the sake of anti-Americanism, were completely wrong.

Yet no apologies are forthcoming.

But at least we now understand why Canadian “nationalist” writers and historians, such as John Warnock, Donald Creighton, and James Minifie, wrote interpretations and histories about the Cold War that demonized the U.S. and left names such as Joseph Stalin in the footnotes.

As a Russian émigré, I am not humoured by Kingwell’s assault on historical memory; I am not humoured by Gulag denial just as a Jewish person wouldn’t be humoured by Holocaust denial.

While I was engaged in my doctoral studies in history at York University in Toronto, I would confront many of my colleagues about this issue. Why, I asked them, were they reluctant to face the errors of Canadian nationalists vis-à-vis the Cold War? Were they not aware of how the documents from the former Soviet archives were discrediting almost everything Canadian nationalists had said about the Cold War? My colleagues’ favourite response was to shrug their shoulders and to dismiss my arguments as being too “hung up” on “the past.” The Cold War “was over,” they told me, and it was silly to chase down “old ghosts”. My “obsession” with the Soviet archives, they patiently explained to me, was analogous to “necrophilia.” And these were historians.

The only historical necrophilia they supported, it seems, was the variety that found more sins of American foreign policy and capitalism -- not of socialism.

Kingwell thinks it is a badge of “moral courage” to stand up to the Americans. How about during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962, when Prime Minister John Diefenbaker refused to put Canadian forces on an increased level of alert (Defcon 3) in order to show that he wouldn’t be “pushed around” by President John Kennedy? Since Canada had a bilateral defence alliance with the United States for the defence of the North American continent, Diefenbaker’s inaction left an enormous gap in continental defence.

There is nothing “moral” about Canadian anti-Americanism. And nothing logical either. I have always found it humorous how Canadians look down at Americans for loving themselves “too much”, but how they simultaneously swell with a distorted form of patriotic pride at being unlike and better than Americans. Canadian nationalists also always pride themselves on their politically-correct tolerance and "multi-culturalism" while engaging in anti-Americanism -- a disposition, as sociologist Paul Hollander has demonstrated, that is directly related with racism, sexism, and anti-Semitism.

In Canada, of course, it has always been legitimate to be a bigot, as long as it involves hating Americans.

Kingwell refers to how little Americans know about us. He explains that “American ignorance is a staple of our richly ironic strain of humour.” Really? I never found anything slightly “rich” in this humour at all. Growing up in Canada, I was always greatly entertained by the endless and smug complaining about how "stupid" Americans are because of their ignorance about Canada. Let’s be serious: why would Americans in Los Angeles and New York City need to know anything about Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, or about anything else Canadian?

Kingwell ends his essay by saying that Canadians sometimes wish the U.S. “had a little more of what makes us great.” Uh, sorry, but a little bit more of what exactly? Perhaps, instead, it would be wiser for us to focus on giving up on clinging to the ingredients of our “moral courage”, which includes the joke of bilingualism – English Canada’s last pretence of possessing any unique characteristics whatsoever. Let’s admit it, without bilingualism, English Canadians would no longer be able to say, "We’re not like those Americans," without someone else rejoining: "Oh? And how is that?" And there will be no answer, because there will be nothing to say.

If we just manage to get over our little brother complex, then maybe we will also one day no longer have to victimize ourselves with those torturous and emotionally-excruciating conversations about Margaret Atwood and Pierre Berton, in which so many Canadians attempt to show their un-American stripes by discussing novels that no human being outside of Canada has ever heard of, nor would ever read under sane circumstances. And we would also be liberated from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, an entity that it takes masochism to tune into, and that wouldn’t survive five minutes if its life depended on the tastes and desires of Canadians themselves.

Indeed, if we purged ourselves of Kingwell’s mark of "moral courage", Canada’s celebration of mediocrity and, more importantly, its exoneration of evil regimes and mass murderers around the world, would finally come to its long-awaited conclusion.

   



Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:58 pm

Dude in the previous stupid topic you made, you got massacred. We proved that, well atleast Bill_Hicks proved that the Majority of Canadian's aren't Anti-American. Only 15%. America has a bigger or the same percent regarding Anti-Canada. Which America having a bigger population means there are more Anti's in America then Canada, expecially when you add the fact that more American's are Anti-American then there are Canadian Anti-American's.

So keep generating pointless Canadian's are Anti-American articles all you want, isn't going to do anything.

   



ManifestDestiny @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:01 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Dude in the previous stupid topic you made, you got massacred. We proved that, we atleast Bill_Hicks proved that the Majority of Canadian's aren't Anti-American. Only 15%. America has a bigger or the same percent regarding Anti-Canada. Which America having a bigger population means there are more Anti's in America then Canada, expecially when you add the fact that more American's are Anti-American then there are Canadian Anti-American's.

So keep generating pointless Canadian's are Anti-American articles all you want, isn't going to do anything.


I got massacared in your eyes i had you and BH on the ropes with facts not just yelling my opinion.

In a school yard fight just yelling my sneakers run faster then yours does not mean they do.

Prove your points with facts. Not your words of calling me an asshole and an idiot.

   



ManifestDestiny @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:04 pm

Have you even read the articles? they are not the same. You should read them you might see how foolish you are.

   



Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:14 pm

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Dude in the previous stupid topic you made, you got massacred. We proved that, we atleast Bill_Hicks proved that the Majority of Canadian's aren't Anti-American. Only 15%. America has a bigger or the same percent regarding Anti-Canada. Which America having a bigger population means there are more Anti's in America then Canada, expecially when you add the fact that more American's are Anti-American then there are Canadian Anti-American's.

So keep generating pointless Canadian's are Anti-American articles all you want, isn't going to do anything.


I got massacared in your eyes i had you and BH on the ropes with facts not just yelling my opinion.

In a school yard fight just yelling my sneakers run faster then yours does not mean they do.

Prove your points with facts. Not your words of calling me an asshole and an idiot.


Haha really? Let's go back to the facts sha'll we?

You started a thread with a article that was extremly agressive the way it critized all Canadian's and said we all are Anti-American's.

One of your quotes, that I can't forums quote because some mod locked then deleted your topic.

"In Canada, of course, it has always been legitimate to be a bigot, as long as it involves hating Americans."

"Bacardi4206 wrote:
Oh yeah of course, diddn't you know our government's top secret plan? Spawn a horde of Anti-American Canadian's that will eventually destroy America one word at a time.

EVERY SINGLE CANADIAN is a Anti-American, and loves to express that everyday Rolling Eyes.

Damnit, I blurted out our countries secret. Quickyl, Stephen Harper! Burn the documents!"


"Noy every single. you are for sure.

but I will put like i lut most things, you got 10% that are, 10% that are not, and 80% that wish they were not."

Then of course the part where you lose,

"ManifestDestiny wrote:
THE INTENSE debate that has been triggered by the now-famous Molson commercial tells us something interesting, and also tragic, about Canadians. More than anything else, it reveals the necessity of expert intervention. Indeed, that just one article (Jeff Jacoby's The Unbearable Lightness of Being Canadian) could have set off such a heated and bitter national outcry reveals, in the most profound sense, the empty void that needs to be filled in the Canadian psyche."
"You bumbling idiot...

Let me just confirm this ONCE AGAIN for all.

Anti-Americanism is NOT huge in Canada.

Canadians are NOT Anti-American.

SOME are, but NOT ALL and NOT EVEN A MAJORITY.

15% of Canadians are Anti-American. That is it.

Don't put down all Canadians just because a few of us hate America. I don't call all Americans Anti-Canadian, so bugger off.

Let's put this in perspective. 15% of Canadians means about 4.6 million people or so. And America is 305 million people or so.

And i can probably safely bet that there are far more Anti-Americans in the USA then in Canada.

America SUCKS, but that is MY opinion, NOT Canada's!"

Then my fav part, you bumbling away about how you really diddn't mean that 80% was Anti-American. Even though "and 80% wish they wern't" is clearly stating that they are Anti-American's.

Bill_Hicks:
How bout this?

Ipsos-Reid Survey:

15% of Canadians are deep-down at heart Anti-American
80% of Canadians are against the American Government and that's IT.
5% Either support the United States fully or responded with something else.

ManifestDestiny:
Noy every single. you are for sure.

but I will put like i lut most things, you got 10% that are, 10% that are not, and 80% that wish they were not.

Bacardi4206:
"and 80% that wish they were not." Correct me if i'm wrong but that statement means they are Anti-American, they just wish they wern't.

ManifestDestiny:
Yes that could mean the same, they wish they had a different goverment! until then they wish they are not Anti American

But I dont agree with that either cause I could say this and be deemed racist.


try this one for example. I am against all Black leaders, but I like Black people.


The rest was all you and Bill_Hicks argueing about racism. You calling Bill_Hicks a racist because he said he was a Anti-American and hated all American's.

   



Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:16 pm

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Have you even read the articles? they are not the same. You should read them you might see how foolish you are.


I read your other article, but not this one because all your articles are always the same. Yesterday you posted two Articles, two different ones stating that all Canadian's were anti-American.

Next day, you devote this topic to the previous arguement and give off another article which I skimmed through that talks about Canadian's being Anti-American... Sorry but you give off the wrong impression if this topic is not saying Most Canadian's are Anti-American...

   



Diogenes @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:17 pm

There was/is a guy from the old Vive . Iddividualist, by name that posted similar pap The only thing I can think of to say about him is he was tenacious
and wrong
You him?
if not you are cut from the same bolt of cloth
A lot of what I present here is by American's who by your standards are anti-American as well
That's an oxy moron ;-)

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:18 pm

$1:
As a Russian émigré,


The functional phrase of the entire article.

   



PluggyRug @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:29 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Have you even read the articles? they are not the same. You should read them you might see how foolish you are.


I read your other article, but not this one because all your articles are always the same. Yesterday you posted two Articles, two different ones stating that all Canadian's were anti-American.

Next day, you devote this topic to the previous arguement and give off another article which I skimmed through that talks about Canadian's being Anti-American... Sorry but you give off the wrong impression if this topic is not saying Most Canadian's are Anti-American...



If you could (for once) see past your blinkers there is an awful lot of anti Americanism on this site.

As an American, he has the right to defend America and Americans.

   



novachick @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:31 pm

Ummm why are we pretending that one of the biggest racial issues in Canada is Anti-American. On a good day we are anti-American,French,FN,Immigration,Black,and so on. Making the point they are MORE racist than us is ludicrous. Racism is racism and home grown.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:34 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Have you even read the articles? they are not the same. You should read them you might see how foolish you are.


I read your other article, but not this one because all your articles are always the same. Yesterday you posted two Articles, two different ones stating that all Canadian's were anti-American.

Next day, you devote this topic to the previous arguement and give off another article which I skimmed through that talks about Canadian's being Anti-American... Sorry but you give off the wrong impression if this topic is not saying Most Canadian's are Anti-American...



If you could (for once) see past your blinkers there is an awful lot of anti Americanism on this site.



It's like asking a fish about water. The fish will say, "Water? What water?"

:idea:

   



Dr Caleb @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:42 pm

PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Have you even read the articles? they are not the same. You should read them you might see how foolish you are.


I read your other article, but not this one because all your articles are always the same. Yesterday you posted two Articles, two different ones stating that all Canadian's were anti-American.

Next day, you devote this topic to the previous arguement and give off another article which I skimmed through that talks about Canadian's being Anti-American... Sorry but you give off the wrong impression if this topic is not saying Most Canadian's are Anti-American...



If you could (for once) see past your blinkers there is an awful lot of anti Americanism on this site.

As an American, he has the right to defend America and Americans.


Yes, of course. He has that right. And "Manifest Destiny", that the USofA has the right and duty to spread it's form of democracy and culture North America and World wide is so very pro-Canadian.

   



rearguard @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:07 pm

The term "anti-Americanism" is often used by propagandists to spin legitimate arguments against unjust and threatening US policy into arguments concerning bigotry towards the American people in general.

The term "anti-Americanism" is also used against American citizens themselves whenever there's a build up of disagreement over US policy, either foreign or domestic.

The same sort of ruse is used when people are labeled as "anti-Semitic" after they openly and legitimately criticize the policies of Israel.

The latest spin, is labeling people as "deniers" who have been questioning the political policies and science behind climate change / global warming.

When someone disagrees with your views and you call them a "denier" or an "anti-something", that's slander, therefore whatever commentary that makes use of the blanket term "anti-whatever" should be labeled as nothing more than unsubstantiated slander, and tossed out in the trash where it belongs.

   



hurley_108 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:12 pm

rearguard rearguard:
The term "anti-Americanism" is often used by propagandists to spin legitimate arguments against unjust and threatening US policy into arguments concerning bigotry towards the American people in general.

The term "anti-Americanism" is also used against American citizens themselves whenever there's a build up of disagreement over US policy, either foreign or domestic.

The same sort of ruse is used when people are labeled as "anti-Semitic" after they openly and legitimately criticize the policies of Israel.

The latest spin, is labeling people as "deniers" who have been questioning the political policies and science behind climate change / global warming.

When someone disagrees with your views and you call them a "denier" or an "anti-something", that's slander, therefore whatever commentary that makes use of the blanket term "anti-whatever" should be labeled as nothing more than unsubstantiated slander, and tossed out in the trash where it belongs.


Hear hear.

   



rearguard @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:17 pm

"The analogy I use above perfectly suits the embarrassing and immoral behaviour of Canadian nationalists throughout the Cold War, especially under the leadership of Pierre Trudeau, when anti-Americanism was seen as being more cutting-edge than confronting and fighting the genocidal Soviet regime."

Yes but what is not being mentioned, is that the so-called "Cold War" was no less of a scam as the current "War on Terror" is, or the "War on Drugs" is, and so on.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrc4glIBD9Q

So it seems that if you fail to fall in line with the latest in US propaganda, then you are "anti-American". What pathetic argument to make!

   



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