The Omnibus Military & War Thread
DrCaleb @ Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:22 am
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War is a Racket
By General Smedley D. Butler
Foreword
Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933 by General Smedley Butler, USMC
War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
CHAPTER ONE: War Is A Racket
War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows. [Please note these are 1935 U.S. dollars. To adjust for inflation, multiply all figures X 15 or more]
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill. And what is this bill?
This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
Again they are choosing sides. France and Russia met and agreed to stand side by side. Italy and Austria hurried to make a similar agreement. Poland and Germany cast sheep's eyes at each other. All of them are looking ahead to war. Not the people – not those who fight and pay and die – only those who foment wars and remain safely at home to profit.
There are 40,000,000 men under arms in the world today, and our statesmen and diplomats have the temerity to say that war is not in the making. Hell's bells! Are these 40,000,000 men being trained to be dancers?
Not in Italy, to be sure. Premier Mussolini knows what they are being trained for. He, at least, is frank enough to speak out. The publication of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said: "And above all, Fascism… believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace…War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the people who have the courage to meet it."
Undoubtedly Mussolini means exactly what he says. His well-trained army, his great fleet of planes, and even his navy are ready for war. His recent stand at the side of Hungary in the latter's dispute with Yugoslavia showed that. And the hurried mobilization of his troops on the Austrian border after the assassination of Dollfuss showed it too. There are others in Europe too whose sabre rattling presages war, sooner or later. Herr Hitler, with his rearming Germany and his constant demands for more and more arms, is an equal if not greater menace to peace.
Yes, all over, nations are camping in their arms. The mad dogs of Europe are on the loose. The trend is to poison us against the Japanese. What does the "open door" policy to China mean to us? Our trade with China is about $90,000,000 a year. Or the Philippine Islands? We have spent about $600,000,000 in the Philippines in thirty-five years and we (our bankers and industrialists and speculators) have private investments there of less than $200,000,000.
Then, to save that China trade of about $90,000,000, or to protect these private investments of less than $200,000,000 in the Philippines, we would be all stirred up to hate Japan and go to war – a war that might well cost us tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of lives of Americans, and many more hundreds of thousands of physically maimed and mentally unbalanced men.
Of course, for this loss, there would be a compensating profit – fortunes would be made. Millions and billions of dollars would be piled up. By a few. Munitions makers. Bankers. Ship builders. Manufacturers. Meat packers. Speculators. They would fare well. Yes, they are getting ready for another war. Why shouldn't they? It pays high dividends.
But what does it profit the men who are killed? What does it profit their mothers and sisters, their wives and their sweethearts? What does it profit their children? What does it profit anyone except the very few to whom war means huge profits? Yes, and what does it profit the nation?
Take our own case. Until 1898 we didn't own a bit of territory outside the mainland of North America. At that time our national debt was a little more than $1,000,000,000. Then we became "internationally minded." We forgot, or shunted aside, George Washington's warning about "entangling alliances." We went to war. We acquired outside territory. At the end of the World War period, as a direct result of our fiddling in international affairs, our national debt had jumped to over $25,000,000,000.
It would have been far cheaper (not to say safer) for the average American who pays the bills to stay out of foreign entanglements. For a very few this racket, like bootlegging and other underworld rackets, brings fancy profits, but the cost of operations is always transferred to the people – who do not profit.
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https://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket
Robair @ Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:03 am
/\ That is the entire reason Tulsi Gabbard is running for office.
It's also why she is attacked pretty much from all sides, all the time.
She's trying to expose and stop the gravy train for American billionaires / politicians that is the middle east. Both parties are on that train, big time.
Afghanistan is now the longest war America has ever been in. Now eclipsing Vietnam.
Adjusted for inflation, America has already spent more on nation building in Afghanistan than it did on the martial plan. Let that sink in.
Afghanistan now costs 4 billion per month. Last month, this month, next month.
You want to fund health care? Get out of the middle east. Boom. Money left over.
DrCaleb @ Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:11 am
^^^ 
Robair Robair:
/\ That is the entire reason Tulsi Gabbard is running for office.
It's also why she is attacked pretty much from all sides, all the time.
She's trying to expose and stop the gravy train for American billionaires / politicians that is the middle east. Both parties are on that train, big time.
Afghanistan is now the longest war America has ever been in. Now eclipsing Vietnam.
Adjusted for inflation, America has already spent more on nation building in Afghanistan than it did on the martial plan. Let that sink in.
Afghanistan now costs 4 billion per month. Last month, this month, next month.
You want to fund health care? Get out of the middle east. Boom. Money left over.
True that. For the life of me I can't see why any western country would want troops in the middle east.
Interesting if this is actually true.
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
True that. For the life of me I can't see why any western country would want troops in the middle east.
Given that we did fuck all to protect the Jews both before and during WW2 we have a moral obligation to make sure the seventh century savages don't finish the job that Hitler started.
That said I want us out of the fucking sandbox unless we're there to kill a bunch of the fuckers.
I hold no pretensions about building nations or democracies because when the Muslims get a vote the dumb motherfuckers always vote in the utterly worst cocksuckers that their religious leaders have to offer.
Kill them and leave. Repeat until the Muslims choose peace over death.
Thanos @ Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:09 pm
Israel is more than capable of defending itself. We're under no obligation at all to be at war forever with a billion and a half other people in order to protect Israel. Is the rest of the world quite literally obligated to disappear in a nuclear blast someday, which is something the most apocalyptic and hyper-religious of the Israel defenders actively want to happen, just because that odious region of the world won't ever stop behaving like superstitious savages? 
Thanos Thanos:
Israel is more than capable of defending itself. We're under no obligation at all to be at war forever with a billion and a half other people in order to protect Israel. Is the rest of the world quite literally obligated to disappear in a nuclear blast someday, which is something the most apocalyptic and hyper-religious of the Israel defenders actively want to happen, just because that odious region of the world won't ever stop behaving like superstitious savages?

If Israel has to protect itself because we told them they were on their own then don't bitch about it when the Israelis reduce 200+ Muslim cities to uninhabitable sheets of green glass...because that is precisely their defense plan called MASADA.
Robair Robair:
/\ That is the entire reason Tulsi Gabbard is running for office.
It's also why she is attacked pretty much from all sides, all the time.
No.
Tulsi Gabbard is there to distract attention and to provide false hope to opposition groups. As long as the tard-nation is happy trusting a character on the tell-a-vision to protect them, then all is going as planned.
Robair Robair:
She's trying to expose and stop the gravy train for American billionaires / politicians that is the middle east. Both parties are on that train, big time.
I will bet you 100$ that her efforts amount to nothing. You win when she actually does something.
Robair Robair:
Afghanistan now costs 4 billion per month. Last month, this month, next month.
You want to fund health care? Get out of the middle east. Boom. Money left over.
Unfortunately, it is worth it because american $ hegemony and our western standard of living depend on dirt cheap oil. To put it starkly, you and I would be starving otherwise.
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
True that. For the life of me I can't see why any western country would want troops in the middle east.
I will take "
Where did the british army 1st go at the start of the 1st world war?" for 200$, Alex!
Thanos @ Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:53 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
Israel is more than capable of defending itself. We're under no obligation at all to be at war forever with a billion and a half other people in order to protect Israel. Is the rest of the world quite literally obligated to disappear in a nuclear blast someday, which is something the most apocalyptic and hyper-religious of the Israel defenders actively want to happen, just because that odious region of the world won't ever stop behaving like superstitious savages?

If Israel has to protect itself because we told them they were on their own then don't bitch about it when the Israelis reduce 200+ Muslim cities to uninhabitable sheets of green glass...because that is precisely their defense plan called MASADA.
It should be made clear then to new recruits, that they're likely to be put into combat zones in order to defend Israel, not because the US is in any great danger at any given time. Well, except from whatever terrorist groups America's Best Friends in Saudi Arabia are stirring up at any given moment.
xerxes @ Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:15 pm
A history of what is probably the longest beer run in ever. Guy from NYC brings his buddies in 'Nam a case of beer.
xerxes @ Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:12 pm
For the 76th Anniversary of D-Day

xerxes @ Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:04 pm
USS Bonhomme Richard continues to burn Tuesday more than 48 hours after the fire broke out
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WASHINGTON – The Navy's USS Bonhomme Richard burned for the third day Tuesday at its pier in San Diego as the Navy reported progress in containing the blaze.
The amphibious assault ship, essentially a small aircraft carrier, has been heavily damaged by the fire that broke out Sunday far below its flight deck. Fire crews could extinguish the blaze in the next 24 hours, Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck told reporters at a briefing.
"Significant progress has been made," Sobeck said.
Smoke continued to pour from the 844-foot vessel as helicopters and tug boats dumped water on its decks and hull to cool the ship. Temperatures from the fire, fed by building materials, reached 1,000 degrees and have damaged the Bonhomme Richard's superstructure.
Sobeck described the ship's condition as stable and said its million-gallon fuel tanks are no longer threatened by heat or flames.
The two fires that burned Tuesday were at the front and rear of ship. The cause of the fire is unknown, although it appears to have started in a vast cargo area that is used to transport landing craft and equipment used by Marines when they assault a shore.
The ship had been in San Diego for maintenance, and duct work and other material to service it had hindered firefighting, Sobeck said.
xtreme heat and smoke have injured 61 firefighters, 38 of them from the Navy, Sobeck said. The injuries have been minor and nobody remains hospitalized.
A damage assessment will have to wait until the fire is put out, Sobeck said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/14/uss-bonhomme-richard-burned-third-day-navy-reports-some-progress/5437070002/
xerxes @ Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:34 pm
Update, the fire on the USS Bonhomme Richard is finally out...four days later. Here's how it looks on the inside:

Looks bad. I wonder if the Navy will consider her worth salvaging or wait for the replacement for the Wasp class ships to come into service.
A bunch of interesting and/or wild war stories from WW1 and WW2 - the one man attack on Brussels is my favourite.