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Public_Domain @ Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:12 pm

(i've mentioned these stories before probably around when they happened; as i was a member here)

when i was a dumb 15yo teen 60 pounds soaking wet when my uncle called the cops on me for making suicidal comments. 4 cops came, pointing a bean bag gun directly at my head, forced me out of the house, and proceeded to demand to know if i was running a methlab, saying they could "smell it"; turned out to be an orange julius that had been tipped over :|

on my first "real job" (over the table) at xs cargo (defunct canadian store), second day, untrained, someone used a fake $100 bill and social engineered me. cops came in a few minutes after he left looking for him and his $100. i have shit memory so i had basically no discription other than height. cops asked if "i would pay what the company lost", i said yes because idfk i'm a kid, which they immediately took as meaning i was involved and "felt guilty". they held me in the cop car and called me a liar for over an hour, before letting me go because they had fucking nothing. first real job!

just glad to not have actually been assaulted

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:50 pm

Fighter Fighter:
A serious question...

What are the requirements/prerequisite to become a cop in US/Canada?

Given sensitive history behind, do white police officers are specifically given any kinda instructions regarding black/indigenous community on how to deal with them....

?


Oddly, the screening for police tends to weed out anyone who demonstrates high intelligence and independent thinking.

Not a joke. :|

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:51 pm

Public_Domain Public_Domain:
(i've mentioned these stories before probably around when they happened; as i was a member here)

when i was a dumb 15yo teen 60 pounds soaking wet when my uncle called the cops on me for making suicidal comments. 4 cops came, pointing a bean bag gun directly at my head, forced me out of the house, and proceeded to demand to know if i was running a methlab, saying they could "smell it"; turned out to be an orange julius that had been tipped over :|

on my first "real job" (over the table) at xs cargo (defunct canadian store), second day, untrained, someone used a fake $100 bill and social engineered me. cops came in a few minutes after he left looking for him and his $100. i have shit memory so i had basically no discription other than height. cops asked if "i would pay what the company lost", i said yes because idfk i'm a kid, which they immediately took as meaning i was involved and "felt guilty". they held me in the cop car and called me a liar for over an hour, before letting me go because they had fucking nothing. first real job!

just glad to not have actually been assaulted


The police are not your friends.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:19 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Video shows Edmonton officer jump knee-first onto man lying on ground during 2019 arrest



'All he did was scream': Father reacts to video of police officer dropping a knee onto son

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:20 am

Pretty sure I saw Randy Savage use that move on Ric Flair.

   



Robair @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:39 am

Paul Koester killed my cousin Ian Bush in Houston BC. Shot him in the back of the head out of self defense, apparently. Ian Bush was cited for open liquor in public.

He was drinking a beer outside of a hockey arena between periods. When Paul Koester was citing him, Ian gave the officer somebody else's name. So when Paul figured that out he arrested Ian for providing a false name or whatever it's called.

By all accounts, when being driven away in the squad car, Ian was still joking around and being a goof. That was the last time his friends saw him alive.

Paul Koester was never charged and is still walking around BC with a badge and a gun. Apparently had his ass kicked recently in Kamloops so that's nice. :) https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... p-officer/

I never met Ian, but I know his grandparents. He was not a criminal, his only brushes with the law were for having too much fun.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:47 am

^^ I remember that incident. R=EM

It still irks me that they tried to explain how a cop in a choke hold could kill someone by shooting them in the back of the head. And they are sticking with that story. :evil:

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:37 am

$1:
RCMP burnout may be adding to Nunavut policing problems, says territory's top cop

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The head of the RCMP in Nunavut says she's trying to find ways to bring police and Inuit together. But Chief Supt. Amanda Jones says officer burnout in small detachments with big social problems may be contributing to officer conduct that has sparked outrage in Nunavut.

"A member is always accountable," she said Monday in an interview.

"After we look at holding the member accountable, making sure the community is safe, then I look at — is there a contributing factor that maybe I should be looking at and ensuring that members' well-being is also included."

The most recent problem occurred last week, after an Inuit man in Kinngait was arrested by being knocked over by the door of a moving police vehicle. He was arrested for public intoxication and was not charged. The man was later beaten by a fellow prisoner in a detachment lockup and transported to hospital.

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'Our history hasn't always been positive'

But the problem is old.

Nunavut's legal aid society has written several letters over the years to the territorial government about RCMP treatment of Inuit prisoners. The latest came in January, when society head Benson Cowan wrote Jones about two female prisoners being stripped and searched by male officers.

"The systemic nature of such conduct is so pervasive that only a broad review would be effective for understanding the true scope and character of the problem," the letter says.

Jones, who has visited every town in Nunavut since taking over V Division last year, doesn't deny there are problems.

"Our history hasn't always been positive. There's a lot of negative stuff that we have to own and we have to be sure our members understand."

But she laid out the conditions under which many Arctic officers work.

Thirteen of Nunavut's 25 detachments are two-member offices, she said. That means a member is either on shift or on call, 24-7. "You're always on a high alert. You never get some downtime."

Those members work in communities with nation-leading incidence of violent crime, suicide and sexual abuse. Booze and drugs are a constant presence.

Jones said she finds arrests like the one in Kinngait "disturbing."

"Actions like that are intolerable," she said.

"I also ask the question: Are we doing enough to ensure the mental health of our members? I wonder if we need to make sure they are getting the rest that they need, some time off."



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/rc ... -1.5603800

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:41 am

Robair Robair:
Paul Koester killed my cousin Ian Bush in Houston BC. Shot him in the back of the head out of self defense, apparently. Ian Bush was cited for open liquor in public.

He was drinking a beer outside of a hockey arena between periods. When Paul Koester was citing him, Ian gave the officer somebody else's name. So when Paul figured that out he arrested Ian for providing a false name or whatever it's called.

By all accounts, when being driven away in the squad car, Ian was still joking around and being a goof. That was the last time his friends saw him alive.

Paul Koester was never charged and is still walking around BC with a badge and a gun. Apparently had his ass kicked recently in Kamloops so that's nice. :) https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... p-officer/

I never met Ian, but I know his grandparents. He was not a criminal, his only brushes with the law were for having too much fun.


I'll mention this to some people I know.

   



Zipperfish @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:51 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Fighter Fighter:
What are the requirements/prerequisite to become a cop in US/Canada?


To my knowledge, there are very different requirements. Police in Canada have to have some sort of training. They can be trained by the local police force; most have their own training programs. The RCMP training is two years, I believe. You can also get training from recognized services, like the British system, or even Military police. But you still have to have some training from the local force or RCMP though.

Having a secondary degree is also encouraged, such as sociology or law degree.

In the US, there really aren't any common standards as to training. I have read some forces will take people fresh out of high school, or with just military training. It varies throughout the US.


It's 26 weeks at Depot in Regina, where they do the RCMP training. I've spent a few weeks at depot and got a first-hand look at it. Pretty intense. A degree is not required, but recommended. Depends how desperate they are for new officers. There's also an interview that is pretty intense. Plus, of course, criminal check, check on physical suitability (hearing, vision, fitness as required).

Training is ongoing throughout your career. They spend several weeks a year training.

   



Zipperfish @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:53 am

Robair Robair:
Paul Koester killed my cousin Ian Bush in Houston BC. Shot him in the back of the head out of self defense, apparently. Ian Bush was cited for open liquor in public.

He was drinking a beer outside of a hockey arena between periods. When Paul Koester was citing him, Ian gave the officer somebody else's name. So when Paul figured that out he arrested Ian for providing a false name or whatever it's called.

By all accounts, when being driven away in the squad car, Ian was still joking around and being a goof. That was the last time his friends saw him alive.

Paul Koester was never charged and is still walking around BC with a badge and a gun. Apparently had his ass kicked recently in Kamloops so that's nice. :) https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... p-officer/

I never met Ian, but I know his grandparents. He was not a criminal, his only brushes with the law were for having too much fun.


I remember that. Horrifying.

   



Robair @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:40 am

All kinds of RCMP BS didn't add up re. Ian Bush.

Didn't one of the officers that killed Robert Dzinski (sp?) end up fleeing the scene of an accident where he killed a motorcyclist and was drunk?

   



Martin15 @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:13 am

Robair Robair:
All kinds of RCMP BS didn't add up re. Ian Bush.

Didn't one of the officers that killed Robert Dzinski (sp?) end up fleeing the scene of an accident where he killed a motorcyclist and was drunk?



That was Monty Robinson, fine upstanding something something.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:14 am

Robair Robair:
Didn't one of the officers that killed Robert Dzinski (sp?) end up fleeing the scene of an accident where he killed a motorcyclist and was drunk?


Yup. Ran to the nearest bar and ordered a few shots. Old trick, as there is no way to know if he was drunk before or afterward.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:27 am

DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Robair Robair:
Didn't one of the officers that killed Robert Dzinski (sp?) end up fleeing the scene of an accident where he killed a motorcyclist and was drunk?


Yup. Ran to the nearest bar and ordered a few shots. Old trick, as there is no way to know if he was drunk before or afterward.


Clever. In an evil way, but still...

   



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