ELECTION 2021 - Trudeau calls federal election
Scape @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:34 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
Just woke up and checked the results. Not only are we back to where we started, but it seems Toronto has fucked everyone yet again.
What a fucking waste of time and money. Words cannot express how irritated and disgusted I am that we went through all of that just to put us back to start.
I hope the fucking government falls at the first confidence motion and puts this country in a perpetual state of elections because at this point, we deserve nothing less.
Fucking joke.
-J.
Interesting take here: “Toronto has fucked everyone again.” Not Toronto has voted for the people they want? Perhaps it’s the people of Southern Ontario, outside TO, voting for O’Fool who are the ones “fucking” everyone again

^^ This.
But let's be honest here. The choices in the Prairies are only going to get worse under Maverick or PPC (unless you are in a city). I still can't wrap my head around how PPC have 4 indigenous candidates.
Scape @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:38 pm
Now that the dust is settled I can't see why the NDP shouldn't go forward with:
1)Wealth tax on the obscenely rich.
2)Add dental to the Health act
3)NATIONAL Pharmacare.
Strutz @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:59 pm
Scape Scape:
Now that the dust is settled I can't see why the NDP shouldn't go forward with:
1)Wealth tax on the obscenely rich.
2)Add dental to the Health act
3)NATIONAL Pharmacare.
Great ideas that I am all for but will they get enough support from the other parties to move forward on them?
Strutz Strutz:
Scape Scape:
Now that the dust is settled I can't see why the NDP shouldn't go forward with:
1)Wealth tax on the obscenely rich.
2)Add dental to the Health act
3)NATIONAL Pharmacare.
Great ideas that I am all for but will they get enough support from the other parties to move forward on them?
They don't need anyone else. The Liberals campaigned with #2 and #3, and the NDP said if the Liberals want their support, they must do #1.
Time to put up or shut up. The CPC, Greens and Block (151 seats) can't defeat the NDP + Liberals (172 seats)
Scape Scape:
Now that the dust is settled I can't see why the NDP shouldn't go forward with:
1)Wealth tax on the obscenely rich.
2)Add dental to the Health act
3)NATIONAL Pharmacare.
1) Trudeau wouldn't want all his elite buddies to lose money.
2) Why would Trudeau want to help the average person with this?
3) See Number Two.
-J.
raydan @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:31 pm
We started with "tax the rich" and nothing got done, then we went to "tax the very rich", then "tax the extremely rich" and now it's "tax the insanely rich"... why have we been talking about this for years now and nothing's happening. Do they actually want us to dust off the guillotines? Because that's how we get the guillotines dusted.
Scape @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:52 pm
The Liberals need a win and 10$ daycare ain't it. They need to get all in on the tax the rich and lead the parade rather than be ousted by a mob of pitchforks.
Thanos @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:12 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Time to put up or shut up. The CPC, Greens and Block (151 seats) can't defeat the NDP + Liberals (172 seats)
And the Bloc won't support the Tories unless they're guaranteed a huge giveaway to Quebec, and that's something that kills the Cons in suburban Ontario and the West. Plus the Bloc is socialist by most measurable standards, the same way almost all the Quebec provincial parties are socialist when compared to their counterparts in the other provinces. The Bloc allying with the Conservatives to either build a government or to take a Liberal-helmed coalition down is not something that will happen anytime soon. Odds are much greater that the Bloc will chip in with the Liberals because they know more goodies and power for Quebec given by the Liberals is a certainty.
Today's Conservatives, who've become too Republican-lite since Harper, are the odd-man out in Canada. This is not a radical nation. Radical movements on the left, like the CCF and Tommy Douglas, have always changed the country. But the radical left will never form a national government, because they're too destructive on an economic basis. The radical right, which is entirely a hideous American-inspired movement, is far more appalling to the majority of Canadians than appealing to us. They will never win in this country, ever. And after they've so successfully ruined Alberta under the UCP, not to mention the collection of grotesqueries in that disgusting PPC, the hard-right becomes just that much more of a turn-off to the rest of the country.
raydan raydan:
Do they actually want us to dust off the guillotines? Because that's how we get the guillotines dusted.
Tell me more, or do you publish a newsletter?
Thanos Thanos:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Time to put up or shut up. The CPC, Greens and Block (151 seats) can't defeat the NDP + Liberals (172 seats)
And the Bloc won't support the Tories unless they're guaranteed a huge giveaway to Quebec, and that's something that kills the Cons in suburban Ontario and the West. Plus the Bloc is socialist by most measurable standards, the same way almost all the Quebec provincial parties are socialist when compared to their counterparts in the other provinces. The Bloc allying with the Conservatives to either build a government or to take a Liberal-helmed coalition down is not something that will happen anytime soon. Odds are much greater that the Bloc will chip in with the Liberals because they know more goodies and power for Quebec given by the Liberals is a certainty.
To defeat the Liberals, it would have to be the CPC, Bloc and NDP. Those three will never work together.
I still blame Toronto for going red, and I blame Quebec for the lunacy that is the Bloc. They shouldn't even be allowed to run federally, and Quebec voters need to use their heads at the polls instead of voting Bloc just because they can.
This is a never ending Canadian mess of epic proportions.
-J.
Thanos @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:38 pm
Metro Toronto will go full-NDP before it ever goes Conservative again. Those days where Toronto would alternate between Liberal and Conservative are comprehensively dead & buried.
The Conservatives are no longer a serious competitor in numerous areas where the old Red vs Blue rivalry prevailed. The Maritimes, Toronto, northern Ontario & Manitoba, and Vancouver don't want the Conservatives anymore, or at least not as they presently are. Maybe those voters would re-consider it if the old Progressive Conservatives would return. But they obviously want nothing to do with a Conservative party dominated by western Reform beliefs. The Conservatives better figure out what to do with themselves because none of those areas are going to go down the same route that Alberta & Saskatchewan did with becoming more right-wing and less moderate.
xerxes @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:51 pm
As much as we bemoan it, there is one thing we are clearly importing from the US and that is the urban/rural cleavage in political voting. The urban centres have become reliably liberal to one extent or another whereas rural Canada is solidly (but uniformly) conservative.
Thanos @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:00 pm
And the rurals are certainly not old progressive or moderate conservatives either. And, once again judging by the UCP example, the hard right is ending up dominating the alliance with the moderates. Calgary, Edmonton, and Regina might be willing to end up in the subordinate position in the alliance and let the rural/small-town element dominate the provincial and federal conservative parties. The problem for them though then becomes that every other major urban center in the country obviously isn't going to do the same thing.
I've given up on conservatives ever understanding that the anger that animates them on the prairies simply doesn't exist to the same extent in the rest of the country. They've deliberately reduced themselves to a perpetual opposition status by not getting it through their heads that the ROC simply doesn't care about what the rural conservatives in AB & SK are pissed off at in any given moment. It'll never change here either because it's developed into as much of a center-of-the-universe mentality as the one that's always existed in Toronto. There's no way out of this sort of impasse either, not when no one bothers to step outside of their own echo-chamber anymore.
Scape @ Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:17 pm
The rural/urban split is as old as the hills. I see nothing new here.
What I do see is polarization. There used to be much more give and take and positions have hardened. We have always had this before but there would have been a variety of political pressure points that some serious horse trading could be had in order to get things done. Now, not so much.
This isn't a conservative issue, its a major party issue. The liberal refuse to share the cabinet with the NDP just as much as the pro-lifers and anti-vaxxers refuse to give ground on sanity. It's ideological and you can't reason with that.