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[quote="Rev_Blair"]How come this country doesn't have any really dynamic leaders that will bring the country together inspite of our differences?[/quote]

The anti-intellectual onslaught from the right-wing press? We've been preaching the new dumb to people for twenty five years, should we be surprised when our leaders are idiots?[/quote]

So how do you explain CBC who as our Primary National Media Service has without a shadow of a doubt fallen to the left of center in the political spectrum. How about the Primary, Secondary & Post Secondary Education Systems in Canada who for the exeption of a few fall to the left of center on 90% of the issuses on the political agenda.

Don't get me wrong but your point that it's the fault of the "right-wing press" dosn't seem to fly. Out of all the Leaders that this country has had the most "right-wing" (according to political stance, derived from there policies) of them has been Diefenbaker, that was 1959. Catch my drift.

   

Right-wing, Left-wing, who gives a crap? Cant we all just get along?

   

I agree with getting a long, I wasn't trying to pester or irritate anybody or gang up on any body. I was trying to be civil. I'm guilty of beening a little to hard on somebody over there politcal views. I solved it in a productive way and if I could have I would have bought that person a beer. We now have productive conversations.

here's a Philisophical question. Why is it, that when we as humans get together as a group to talk and debate on politics, we always end up calling each other names and acting like children? Even in the House of Commons

   

I agree, but what we do disagree on is a deal breaker for a lot of like minded people, people who could make a seat for the Green party a reality.



It's is more than what our boys are used to I'll grant you that but let's get some perspective. The total GDP of Canada is $763.9 billion. We spend $9,801.7 million or 1.1% of that as of 2003. Now I do not propose that we become like North Korea and splurge over 20% of GDP on the Military, that is excessive, and South Korea spends 2.7% that too is elevated but we should at least be able to top Brazil's 2.1%. I propose we rise above our paltry 1.1% to 2.5% and this seems to be the consensus. (You will note even more have the most votes but I assign this to abusers like warhawk who have multiple accounts and voting with them till he gets banned.) Why 2.5% or 19 Billion? We have a navy that has used UK subs with no replacement parts and we will be using them for at least 30 years. We will need to rebuild them from the hull up if they are to be anything more than a paper tiger. We have only the Halifax cruisers to defend 3 wet boarders from drugs, immigrants and terrorists with antique Seaking helicopters that can not operate at night or over long distances and spend more time in refit than in the air. We have CF-18 Hornets that are just about at the end of their effective airframe lifespan (and some beyond) and will require immediate replacement, we have NO Armor, our Leopard I's are not being replaced and we are going with all APC's like the Strykers and Cougars. I can go on an on and ON but I hope I have made my point here we don't have an army we have a facade. 30 years of mismanagement and underfunding have left a starved skeleton of 60,000 with only 8,000 available of duty overseas. The NYPD has more than our army in equipment and personal. It is not that we should spend a lot on the military, 19 Billion seems like it is, but that is just keeping our military to the standard of what it should be so it can do the job. 2.5% is what we should have been paying all along, not more, not less. Our country is worth defending and the colours don't run and neither should we from such an important responsibility.

   

Id like to think were all Canadians here, not some pestering political dorks like the Americans. I thought Canadians united where values count, not some political spectrum.

   

There is one party I would vote for, but can't and that's The Bloc Quebecois. Their arrival in mainstream federal politics has coincided with the near marginalization of ethnic nationalist forces in Quebec, effectively rendering a referendum an act of pure folly.

Also, while conservatives would like to argue that the bloc virtually ensures liberal governments, that new party is UNELECTABLE in Quebec. Hence, whatever seats the Bloc win, they take away from the Liberals and not the Conservative Party, and therefore force the Liberal party to be MUCH more responsive than they would otherwise need to be. The BQ IMNSHO ensures the PROSPECT of minority governments, which historically have proven not only the most responsive but the most effective in enacting legislation and not the horror show so many who characterize them as. They force all parties to at least put forth an effort of making a parliament work for fear that an all too itchy trigger finger would negatively impact them in the polls and ultimately on election day. The Bloc ensure a viable voice on the social left -- one that is just as important as one on the fiscal right.

As for the rest of the assclowns, I will never vote for either the Conservative or Liberal parties with their current leaders at the helms, and while I like Jack Layton and volunteered a couple of times when he was running for the NDP leadership, he has grown far too whiny for a guy who's essentially gotten all that he asked for from the Liberal Party.

...and just for the record, I'm no radical leftist. Had Joe Clark led any party in the last election, that party would have earned my vote as it did in 2000.

   

The Green party are essentially terrorists whilst the NDP merely apologises for terrorists. Hope that clears it up for you.

   

No offence man, but after what the Liberals have revealed themselves to be, and after they've stolen your tax dollars, how on earth could you be willing to vote for them. Scandal after scandal, and you're willing to vote for what are essentially mobsters?

   

Agreed

But that should get you a keyboard lashing, stay tuned.

   

Yeah, probably from a bunch of brainwashed University grad Marxist idealogues under 30 who have no concept of reality and watch too much CBC.

   

>> If there was an election tommorow, who would you vote for?


Conservatives.

I have always voted for the party that promoted the smallest govenment, lowest taxes, least bureaucracy, etc. Judging by the Liberal's scandal after scandal, I think I am right and will continue to do so.

The NDP and the Green parties, while claiming to want to help the little guy and the environment, overlook the oppressive government powers that would be required to implement some of their ideas (not to mention killing the economy). Too much government power ALWAYS runs the risk of being abused.

The Liberals, while claiming to take the middle ground, have shown that they, too, are way too comfortable with the concept that "government can do whatever it wants". Wrong!!

I hope that the Conservatives are elected and pass some laws that introduce some extreme new limits to government power and taxation--both to prevent abuses by themselves as well as any government that follows them.

   

The only way we'll save Canada from degrading into a 3rd world socialist cesspool is by voting for the conservatives. The only problem is we have far too many socialists espousing the merits of their twisted ideas, even as their leftist utopia crumbles around them. (see downtown Toronto or our PATHETIC healthcare system for evidence.)

   

I would vote for the BLOC.
THE party who first raised the issue of the "Sponsorship Scandal" on May 7th 2001, prompting the Auditor general to have a look at the books.

   

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