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[QUOTE BY= _747] [QUOTE BY= sebastien]<br /> Why did those Loyalists take that Canada name I wonder ? Why didn't they chose another name. Someone wrote a book about that.<br /> <br /> Some would argue that Canada was a stolen coutry name. It's around 1850 that those english-speaking Loyalists started to call themselves Canadians... Very strange desire !!! To steal to another people its name. Les Québécois s'appelaient Canadiens (tu devrais mettre un "e" 747 pour qu'on puisse bien distinguer de qui tu parles ). Why did they do that ? Very strange. <br /> <br /> Let's be condescending Québécois... let's give that Canada name to our english-speaking brothers.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I don't believe traitors, our enemies (We fought alongside the Americans during the the Revolution) and our occupiers should be able to take refuge under the Banner of Canada. Canada is the Quebecois's property as is Canadian/Canadien. The Americans have always refered to us as the Canadian not canadien, so therefore I will annex the Canadian brand back into the Quebecois fold <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> Canadian and Canadien is the Quebecois's Intellectual Property. In the 1850's there was serious talk by the United States Congress of Annexing Canada, maybe this had something to do with these loyalists embracing the Concept. In anycase, they can call themselves Canadian but that doesn't make them Canadian <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <br /> <br /> Nor will their lies overshadow the historical record of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> I like that Québécois Intellectual Property thing... I'll do some propagation about it, héhé.

   

And around, and around, and around, and around, we go. Now I can see why some people choose to not to get involved in these discussions.<br /> <br /> If anything can be surmised at this point it is this: Canadians can accept the possibility that their national border can be redfined yet Quebecer's cannot stomach the possibility that their provincial borders can. I guess Robert is right. Anytime you mention the partioning of Quebec the seperatists froth at the mouth and cite laws and precedence that can only apply to them yet to no one else.<br /> <br /> Here is the conversation in a nutshell.<br /> <br /> Seperatist: Canada is divisable.<br /> <br /> Federalist: If Canada is divisable than so is Quebec.<br /> <br /> Seperatist: No it isn't.<br /> <br /> Federalist: Yes it is.<br /> <br /> Seperatist: No it isn't.<br /> <br /> Federalist: Yes it is.<br /> <br /> (Repeat ad nauseam.)<br /> <br /> Federalist: Why isn't Qubec divisable?<br /> <br /> Seperatist: Cause I say so!!!<br /> <br /> Federalist: Can't reason with a brick wall. (Leaves in frustration).<br /> <br /> Seperatis: Told you Quebec isn't divisable.<br /> <br /> End scene.<br /> <br />

   

The Saint pretty well sums it up.

   

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] And around, and around, and around, and around, we go. Now I can see why some people choose to not to get involved in these discussions.<br /> <br /> If anything can be surmised at this point it is this: Canadians can accept the possibility that their national border can be redfined yet Quebecer's cannot stomach the possibility that their provincial borders can. I guess Robert is right. Anytime you mention the partioning of Quebec the seperatists froth at the mouth and cite laws and precedence that can only apply to them yet to no one else.<br /> <br /> Here is the conversation in a nutshell.<br /> <br /> Seperatist: Canada is divisable.<br /> <br /> Federalist: If Canada is divisable than so is Quebec.<br /> <br /> Seperatist: No it isn't.<br /> <br /> Federalist: Yes it is.<br /> <br /> Seperatist: No it isn't.<br /> <br /> Federalist: Yes it is.<br /> <br /> (Repeat ad nauseam.)<br /> <br /> Federalist: Why isn't Qubec divisable?<br /> <br /> Seperatist: Cause I say so!!!<br /> <br /> Federalist: Can't reason with a brick wall. (Leaves in frustration).<br /> <br /> Seperatis: Told you Quebec isn't divisable.<br /> <br /> End scene.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Hey, not me. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/evil.gif' alt='Evil'> <br /> <br /> I never said I was against partition. Just that Canada won't even be thinking of going through with it.<br /> <br /> If anglos want to remain in the WI, they can collect welfare from Ottawa or pass through customs everyday to drive 2-3 hours to commute to work, that's their business, not mine.<br /> <br /> Problem is a lot of people in the WI will have by then sold their house. Professionals, tradespeople, hospitals, schools will have closed. <br /> <br /> Now, if Robert or others like him want to live in a "Val Jalbert" type of town, and display his Canadian flag, that's up to him!<br /> <br /> Ever been to Val Jalbert, Robert?<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'> <br /> <br />

   

Just for Robert :<br /> <br /> Here's a glimpse of what the WI might look like, if it wants to stubbornly remain in Canada :<br /> <br /> http://www.sepaq.com/En/index.cfm?Reseau=CT&Module=&Etablissement=VAL&Page=BIEN&Activite=#0<br />

   

<b>KARLA HOMOLKA IS MOVING TO THE WEST ISLAND!</b><br /> <br /> Maybe it's not the PQ that will drive anglos out of Quebec :<br /> <br /> "Is Karla planning to live in Montreal?<br /> Neighbourhood speaks out Ontario seeking curbs on killer<br /> <br /> MIRO CERNETIG<br /> QUEBEC BUREAU CHIEF<br /> <br /> Montreal—<br /> If Karla Homolka does find a home for herself in Notre Dame de Grace, a well-heeled English community in Montreal, she's in for a chilly reception.<br /> <br /> "I don't want to be her friend," one woman said last night in a popular pub in the area, where word that Homolka may be moving to town was poorly received.<br /> <br /> "If she comes in here, I'd tell her to leave."<br /> <br /> Homolka's father Karel said in an interview yesterday his daughter plans to live in an apartment in the west-end Montreal neighbourhood when her 12-year sentence ends this summer. <br /> <br /> The killer of schoolgirls Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy is due for release July 5 from Joliette Institution, north of Montreal.<br /> <br /> Reaction to news that Homolka may relocate to an anglophone community in a French-speaking city — whose French-language newspapers barely reported her crimes — was mixed.<br /> <br /> "What kind of system do we have, where a serial killer will come to our community?" asked resident Sam Williams. "If a system will allow a killer to be free, than who's at fault? Is it the killer or the system?"<br /> <br /> A 21-year-old, who gave his name only as Jonathan, admitted: "I don't even know who this lady was. It happened a long time ago."<br /> <br /> But he said he'd "feel more comfortable if someone is keeping an eye on her." <br /> <br /> So, too, would Ontario Attorney-General Michael Bryant. He said yesterday his government will go to court in Quebec June 2 seeking "the strictest conditions that we can possibly obtain under Canadian law to protect the public and monitor her upon her release." <br /> <br /> If the court agrees to Ontario's request, Homolka could face anything from a nightly curfew to mandatory reporting to police to restrictions on who she can associate with.<br /> <br /> "We could have our recognizance order in place prior to her release and taking effect the moment she is released," said Bryant, who met two weeks ago with the French and Mahaffy families to discuss the case.<br /> <br /> With files from Robert Benzie

   

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] And around, and around, and around, and around, we go. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> ah.. we are Liberationists not separatists. You Federalists are nothing more than occupiers trying your hand tyrannical tactics. Sorry guys the Monarchy is mute and the Real Canadians are free to go and take Quebec with them. <br /> <br /> I have established you are not Canadians, but nothing more than British Subjects. That itself is a state not and identity like the Canadian identity. So what are you then???<br /> <br /> Well, I got the answer to that too <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg001205)): ">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg001205)):</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 1 AUGUST 1774 -AUGUST 1775 John Dickinson's Draft Letter to Quebec <br /> <br /> </b>Ought not the honestly acquired property of <u><b>Canadians</b></u> to be as sacred as that of <u><b>Britons</b></u> & therefore dependant on their own voluntary Gifts & Grants? Have they not Sense enough to (manage) attend to other public Affairs than gathering Stones from one Place, & piling them up in another? Unhappy People! Who are not only injured but insulted; not only Ruin'd by your oppressors but trampled under their Feet; and after all deridingly told, that the whole is for your Good. Nay morel [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> So there you have it, we the Quebecois are the Canadians and you British Subjects are the Britons. This is a definitive reference that will certainly hold up under legal scrutiny of the United States Judiciary and the European Judiciary.<br /> <br /> My next move on this will be to capitulate Canada by its travel. The distinction between Canadians and the Britons will be raised before the United States Congress and the European Assembly for them to enact passport legislation to refuse Canadian Passports unless they are validated by the Quebec Government as reflecting Quebecois. All other passports will be briton passports and it will be for the Federal Government to issue those passports.<br /> <br /> So yes Quebec will be granted Distinct Society by the United States and Europe in so much as the Passport Requirements of Canada. Citizenship Cards will also have to revised to reflect Canadian and Briton.<br /> <br /> So yes Round and Round we go, but rest assured your Federalist lies and threats will no longer carry any relevance as Europe and the United States will put you Britons in your place <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

   

The "Val Jalberization" of the West Island has already begun!<br /> <br /> " <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'> <br /> <br /> Editorial — Badly served <br /> <br /> By Jim Duff, The Suburban <br /> <br /> How badly have Quebec’s English-speaking peoples been served by their politicians and lobby groups? Consider this: <br /> <br /> Côte St. Luc had one of the best Emergency Medical Service first-responder teams in Canada. Despite the soothing noises about it being preserved, Côte St. Luc’s EMS will be reduced to a glorified ambulance service. If it’s lucky. <br /> <br /> As The Suburban was the first to report, Mayor Gérald Tremblay’s administration has moved on its greenspace promises by planning a road across the island’s last untouched wetland corridor and committing to build an ornamental lake for a Pierrefonds developer. So much for greenspace. <br /> <br /> As The Suburban was the first to report, former Public Security head Peter Yeomans fumbled what should have been an easy fix — integrating the 65 volunteer firefighters into the Montreal Fire Department. Of course, they were mostly English-speaking, so Yeomans and his political master, Gérald Tremblay, would have had to expend political capital. Obviously a non-starter. <br /> <br /> Part of the problem is that anglos tend to elect the same old dinosaurs, people that have been around — and doing a mediocre job — for decades. Most have flipped sides so often that their constituents have no clue where they stand on anything. They seek power for the sake of power. <br /> <br /> So when we hear the usual pack of morons flapping their gums about how the Quebec Community Groups Network is the flavour of the month when it comes to representing the English community, we fight to stifle our gag reflex. These are the same incompetents who have shown up at the same tax-funded gabfests for the past quarter century. They had nothing to say then, and they have nothing to say now. They can accomplish nothing because they stand for nothing. <br /> <br /> Aided by an Official Languages whitewash finding nothing wrong with cuts obviously meant to fund Alliance Quebec out of existence, the QCGN has won their fight to kill the Liberal-unfriendly organization. But like too many of the municipal politicians we’ll be voting on this fall, it’s not because they have a better idea. It’s all about seeking power for the sake of power, of building their CVs and networking their way to a happier, more prosperous future. <br /> <br /> For themselves, not for the rest of us. <br /> <br />

   

Delenda wrote: <b>I never said I was against partition. Just that Canada won't even be thinking of going through with it. If anglos want to remain in the WI</b><br /> <br /> Delenda, it is not only Montreal that could possibly be partitioned but the northern two thirds of the province of Quebec among other areas. <br /> <br /> Hey, I don't think that the partition of Montreal would work, but it is an option like everything else when talking about dividing Canada and Quebec. <br /> <br /> Perhaps, if enough separatists realized that Montreal as well as other areas could be partitioned they would think twice about their desire to divide Canada.<br /> <br /> Separatists are naive if they believe that Canadians would not put up a fight to keep their country together and I don't mean violence. Canadians would demand that provincial governments protect their rights. It is the separatists who would have to explain why Quebec's territory cannot be divided but Canada's can.<br /> <br /> <b>"Si le Canada est divisible, le Quebec doit être divisible aussi" </b><br /> <br /> If Canada is divisible then so is Quebec. Quite simple, really.<br /> <br /> ---On Killer Karla, scary to think she will be living in NDG. I hear she now speaks fluent French!!! Prison has its benefits---

   

[QUOTE BY= robert] Delenda wrote: <b>I never said I was against partition. Just that Canada won't even be thinking of going through with it. If anglos want to remain in the WI</b><br /> <br /> Delenda, it is not only Montreal that could possibly be partitioned but the northern two thirds of the province of Quebec among other areas. <br /> <br /> Hey, I don't think that the partition of Montreal would work, but it is an option like everything else when talking about dividing Canada and Quebec. <br /> <br /> Perhaps, if enough separatists realized that Montreal as well as other areas could be partitioned they would think twice about their desire to divide Canada.<br /> <br /> Separatists are naive if they believe that Canadians would not put up a fight to keep their country together and I don't mean violence. Canadians would demand that provincial governments protect their rights. It is the separatists who would have to explain why Quebec's territory cannot be divided but Canada's can.<br /> <br /> <b>"Si le Canada est divisible, le Quebec doit être divisible aussi" </b><br /> <br /> If Canada is divisible then so is Quebec. Quite simple, really.<br /> <br /> ---On Killer Karla, scary to think she will be living in NDG. I hear she now speaks fluent French!!! Prison has its benefits---[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Tell you what robert, once I get my synopsis done of the "Canadians" as oppose to you "Britons" I will let you explain your views to Bill O'reilly, Lou Dobbs, Stone Phillips, etc. I am sure they will be keen to hear about your partioning talk.<br /> <br /> Hmm..Real Canadians fought along aside the United States during American Revolution. You Britons faught against us Canadians (now Quebecois) and the Americans. Hmmm... France establishes the United States Britain responds by declaring war on France. France and Spain ultimately delivers United States Independence. The Statue of Liberty Commemorates that fact. What exactly did you britons do again?? Oh, I know deserted and betrayed the American Revolution by fleeing to Canada and stealing a piece of Quebec.<br /> <br /> Get alot of Use out of that Canadian passport Robert while its still accepted by the United States and Europe because not So far in the distant future this is going hit prime time and the illusion of Canada is going go up in a puff of smoke and your passport will be as good as the Canada Roll <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

   

<a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002164)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002164)):</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 2 September 1775 - December 1775 Rhode Island Delegates to Nicholas Cooke </b><br /> <br /> OCTOBER 9, 1775<br /> <br /> By Letters from Genl. Schuyler of 19th Sepr. We are informed that the <u><b>American</b></u> Troops had surrounded St. Johns & cut off the <u><b>Enemies</b></u> Communication with Montreal; before this Time We hope they are in Possession of both for as <u><b>our People are joined by the Canadians</b></u> they will have nobody to contend with but the few Regulars in that Country; by these happy Acquisitions to which We hope Quebec will be soon added We shall altogether disappoint the most favourite Plan of the Ministry. We are, with great Regard Sir your most obedient hble Servants Step Hopkins <br /> Sam. Ward<br /> <br /> [P.S.] By other Letters by express from St. John's of the 24 Sept. we are informed our Troops were Masters of Chamblee began to play on St. John's and in two Days expected to be in possession of it. <u><b>Many Canadians having then joined them and our Success seemed to be certain in that Quarter</b></u>.(2) S Hopkins[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Who's the enemy Robert???<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>

   

747 wrote: <b>I will let you explain your views to Bill O'reilly, Lou Dobbs, Stone Phillips, etc. I am sure they will be keen to hear about your partioning talk</b>.<br /> <br /> Americans are not interested in Canadian (Quebec) separation/partition talk. Hell, they aren't even interested in the Gomery Inquiry.<br /> <br /> If Canada permitted the country and province of Quebec to be divided/partitioned the US media might give it a minute but not much more. Americans are not interested in what happens in Canada nor what happens in the Province of Quebec.<br /> <br /> When it would come time to talk treaties, etc, then the media would show some interest.<br />

   

Sebastien, why are you so fiercely opposed to dividing the province of Quebec but spend your life agitating for the division of Canada? Is there not a bit of hypocrisy in your stand?<br /> <br /> Perhaps you should take your own advice. Leave Canada or stay here in peace.<br /> <br /> Sebastien, Canada is your country too but if you don't like it, why not move to France? You seem to think anglophones shoud casually pick up and move to the US. Anglophones don't want to leave Canada nor Quebec. Most Quebecers don't want separation/partition so why not join the federalists and make Canada a better place.<br /> <br /> No separation = No partition<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= sebastien] <br /> If Québec separates... what its fierce opponents will do ? Leave, promote partitionism or stay in peace ? I hope they will choose the third option.<br /> <br /> How come we don't hear you Dino, Calumny, Dr Caleb on that partionism thing ? Would you dare to promote it (even if it's worthless) after un OUI vote... even if you don't live in Québec ? You support Robert view ? Really... <br /> <br /> Another fear argument ! Come on Robert leave us our country. It's yours too. English-speaking America is big... we're not asking the moon. Leave that partitionism. Join Québec country, help us built together at last.[/QUOTE]

   

Sebastien wrote: <b>Would you dare to promote it (partition) (even if it's worthless).</b><br /> <br /> Why is breaking up Canada a worthwhile goal but breaking up Quebec is worthless?<br /> <br /> <i><b>Canada seeks no change in the status quo; and Canada is the sovereign state in possession of the whole country. So it is not for federalists to explain how Canada will retain part of what is now both Canada and Québec. Rather it is for separatists to explain what means they will use to overthrow the Canadian state and tear away part of its territory.</b></i> <br /> <br /> Remember: If Canada is divisible so also is Quebec. Fair is fair. What is democratic for Canada is democratic for it's province of Quebec.<br /> <br /> <br />

   

Sebastien, I would certainly accept the results of a yes vote in a referendum that had a fair question in which outright separation was the question BUT, those areas wishing to remain in Canada, their wishes would also have to be respected. That is democracy. Your new country would be smaller than you would like, but you would have your national anthem and seat at the United Nations. You would be a bit disappointed but the wishes of all Quebecers would be respected (as well as all Canadians as Quebec partition/separation is an issue that would affect all Canadians, not just in Quebec. Isn't that what democracy is all about.<br /> <br /> I believe that once separatists realized that a significant chunk of Quebec territory would remain in Canada, they would change their mind and opt back in to the Canadian federation. Quecbecers would prefer a large province to a tiny country. Separatists say they are not land grabbers so I take them on their word, so, leave loyal Canadians living in the province of Quebec in peace. It is their right.

   

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