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Dolce and Gabbana versus Elton John

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N_Fiddledog @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:17 pm

Out of the corner of my eye I'd caught that Elton John seemed to be having some sort of slap fight with somebody, but I didn't know who or why until the one below grabbed my attention. It's fun. There's more to it than just fashion, although Elton wants you to boycott Dolce and Gabbana. :wink:


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I’d love to buy Dolce and Gabbana just to spite Elton John


" Thank God for Dolce and Gabbana. Where other fashion designers play with their image like Mr Benn, the children’s character who adopts a different persona every time he changes his hat, they have a remarkably consistent – for fashion – way of looking at the world. It’s about family, the kind of families they had, of the Italian/Sicilian Catholic variety. So, their beautiful – and I mean really beautiful, not just freaky, unlike some – models are placed in the context of grannies, grandads, picturesque peasants and children – occasionally in first communion outfits. Their last show, which the fashion press loved, brought the house down at the end, when the models came on the catwalk holding or leading their adorable children. It was, I suppose, babies as accessories, but another way of looking at it was a celebration of motherhood. Which honestly, fashion doesn’t often do.

But there’s been a giant, collective hissy intake of breathe in the reaction to their interview with the Italian Panorama magazine, in which they express their objection to same sex marriage and IVF parenthood. ‘We oppose gay adoptions. The only family is the traditional one. No chemical offsprings and rented uterus: life has a natural flow, there are things that should not be changed.’ Dolce added that procreation ‘must be an act of love’, saying: ‘You are born to a mother and a father – or at least that’s how it should be. I call children of chemistry, synthetic children. Rented uterus, semen chosen from a catalog.’ Gabbana added: ‘The family is not a fad. In it there is a supernatural sense of belonging.’ In other words, they really believe in the idea of family they play with in their work.

This is a perfectly consistent, coherent view of things from two gay men who are also Catholics. It wasn’t quite what Gabbana said a few years ago when he suggested having a child by artificial insemination, but he has never downplayed the importance to a child of having a mother. Indeed until about five minutes ago, this was the collective view of most Brits. And as regards IVF, their plain speaking has the embarrassing merit of being true.

But since the gay marriage debate, any departure from the received wisdom about how all relationships are the same and every family is just as good as every other and it’s all really sexist to suggest IVF techniques should take account of a child’s need of a father – and now, a mother – is greeted by the lynch mob. In this case, the folks with brands are led – wouldn’t you just know it – by Elton John, cheerleader for gay parenthood with his two boys with David Furnish. He’s come over all cross with D&G:

‘How dare you refer to my beautiful children as “synthetic”. And shame on you for wagging your judgemental little fingers at IVF – a miracle that has allowed legions of loving people, both straight and gay, to fulfil their dream of having children. Your archaic thinking is out of step with the times, just like your fashions. I shall never wear Dolce and Gabbana ever again. #BoycottDolceGabbana’

To their credit the designers have laughed off the threat, saying that they live in a free country and Elton, poor thing, can’t cope with anyone disagreeing with them. They don’t know how true that is. In Britain, there are things you can’t say, not without celebdom descending on you. Trouble is, Dolce and Gabbana design clothes that are really, truly beautiful. Unlike tortured geniuses like Alexander McQueen who seemed sometimes to hate women, they design for women as though they love them and find them beautiful. Which they probably do.

I’d really like to say at this point that I’m going to buy D&G just to spite Elton John and to support two gay designers who actually don’t feel they have to storm the citadel of normal parenthood in order to prove themselves but I couldn’t afford to, not even in the sale. But if I were Vogue, I wouldn’t be falling over myself to follow Elton’s lead."


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/melanie-mc ... lton-john/

   



Zipperfish @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:22 pm

I don't give a fuck about any of these people.

   



Regina @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:25 pm

I'm with Elton on this one. What kind of cave dweller would call anyone's child that is beyond me.

   



2Cdo @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:25 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I don't give a fuck about any of these people.


Any of which people?

   



Regina @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:26 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I don't give a fuck about any of these people.

.......and there's that part of it too. :lol:

   



Thanos @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:29 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I don't give a fuck about any of these people.


This is the only sane response to most things anymore. :|

   



xerxes @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:51 pm

It was a horrible thing for D&G to say. But then again, with respect to Elton John's proposed boycott, just how many people are buying D&G in the first place? I sure as hell can't afford anything of theirs and I'd be willing to bet the same is true for the majority of Elton's fans.

   



Public_Domain @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:26 pm

I read this mainly because it was Fiddle and Fiddle rarely posts something that isn't seething with soem sort of hatepolitics so here we are.

That statement is vile! Damn! Absolutely with Elton on this.

Sure Elton, I'll join the boycott I can't afford to break.
Not that I've bought anything of yours either, but! I'm okay with you having kids.

   



Thanos @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:35 pm

Elton John has more money than every single person on this board, and practically all the other people each one of us knows in the outside world, has combined. So, his contribution to music aside, fuck him if he or any of his drones think I'll spend one single fucking second from my miserable life feeling sorry or sympathetic for him about ANYTHING. And that applies also to every single entertainment industry pustule who live unbelievable lives than none of the rest of us will ever come close to having. Fuck them. Fuck them all and all the rest of the 1% we-never-lose fucks out there. :evil:

   



Public_Domain @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:41 pm

:lol:

I've noticed over the years that people LOVE to be sympathetic to the 1%. They're heroes, remember?

They've done so much for us. Mainly heroin.

   



Thanos @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:54 pm

If your chosen philosophy demands that you hate the swells then you should hate all of them equally. The value of the clothing that Elton John donates to charity annually is probably more than the cost of all my debts combined. He could pay all my debts off, including my house, and his accountants wouldn't even annoy him by bringing such a paltry sum to his attention. That's the kind of league people like that are in. They're so far removed from the pathetic daily concerns of the rest of us grunts that they no longer even qualify as human. They know nothing about what we go through and that's the main reason they simply don't care.

So someone should clarify this for me: why exactly should I give the slightest damn about some silly pearl-clutching Twitter spat going on between some uber-wealthy f*****s in the entertainment and fashion industries? :?

   



Public_Domain @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:06 pm

I tone down the rich hate because you guys are all well aware of my opinions there. I don't need to spend each and every day like Bart and Fiddle belting about them. Not for your benefit or anything, it's actually boring to bother so much. I could grumble at the magazines they put in front of the till at 7/11 or I could ignore it completely.

I, uh, like a few of Elton's songs...

To be frank, I am a lot more lenient if you make decent music whilst being a rich asshole. It gets you a pass on being rich, then I have to find something else like your politics being disgraceful before I consider not listening to your awesome tunes. Hypocrisy, but it sounds awesome

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:09 pm

Public_Domain Public_Domain:
I tone down the rich hate because you guys are all well aware of my opinions there. I don't need to spend each and every day like Bart and Fiddle belting about them.


Your criticism is deeply appreciated, fuck you very much.

:wink:

   



Public_Domain @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Do you disagree? I thought it was a pretty obvious conclusion to make on your posting standards here. Though you are by far likely to talk about "other things" now and then as opposed to Fiddle, who seems much more concentrated than you are. So, there's that.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:23 pm

When the hell do I prattle on about the rich? You start each and every one of those topics or discussions. I personally don't care about these people and what they earn because it has precisely no impact whatsoever on my own income. You're the person who obsesses over the wealth of other people as if their capability to earn a significant income somehow excuses your inability or lack of motivation to do so.

Your place in the world is not the responsibility of anyone else.

If you want to be wealthy, well-off, or just comfortable then that's up to you. You get out of life what you invest in it.

You invest envy and jealousy into your life and you reap accordingly.

My advice? Stop worrying about what everyone else gets out of life and start focusing on what you want to get out of life. And then go earn it for yourself instead of plotting to steal it from someone else. :wink:

   



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