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[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= dino] Michou why on earth do you think Canada will just fall apart if Quebec leaves. <br /> <br />If you know anything about constitutions all Canadian provinces signed the constitution of Canada but Quebec. NO PROVINCE CAN SEPARATE SINCE IT IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT!! [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Dino, I have got some really sad news for you : "NOTHING EVER LASTS FOREVER". <br />Who the hell cares about a legal document saying Canada cannot breakup ? Have you ever gotten married and later divorced Dino ? Get down from your cloud before you fall off and hurt yourself.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Who cares about a legal document? Canada is not Russia. It is ruled by law--not just on paper but in reality. The whole point of law is to prevent drastic, harmful changes to society. <br /> <br />If you're bringing the divorce argument into it, you're really reaching. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

Michou if Quebec ever signed the constitution willingly with the support of it's people the federal government would never have to listen to separatists again. <br /> <br />Do you think the united nations would support Quebec signing a constitution then 15 years deciding they've had enough? <br /> <br />I distinctively remember watching a show about Quebec separation and in 1995 the secretary general of the united nation Bhoutrous Bhoutrous-Ghali was talking about that what I'm talking about. The only reason Quebec can actually separate is because they aren't legally in the constitution until they are then separation won't die down. <br /> <br />So michou if you think you can sign a constitution then 15 years later feel like you don't like it anymore it doesn't work so bring up the talks of making Quebec a country. It won't work. <br /> <br />Why do you think Chechnya can't form there own country? Because they signed the constitution with Russia ( but they actually have sympathy around the world because they were forced.)

   

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[QUOTE BY= dino] Michou if Quebec ever signed the constitution willingly with the support of it's people the federal government would never have to listen to separatists again. <br /> <br />Do you think the united nations would support Quebec signing a constitution then 15 years deciding they've had enough? <br /> <br />I distinctively remember watching a show about Quebec separation and in 1995 the secretary general of the united nation Bhoutrous Bhoutrous-Ghali was talking about that what I'm talking about. The only reason Quebec can actually separate is because they aren't legally in the constitution until they are then separation won't die down. <br /> <br />So michou if you think you can sign a constitution then 15 years later feel like you don't like it anymore it doesn't work so bring up the talks of making Quebec a country. It won't work. <br /> <br />Why do you think Chechnya can't form there own country? Because they signed the constitution with Russia ( but they actually have sympathy around the world because they were forced.)[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Hi Dino. Correct me if I'm wrong, but considering Quebec is a province in Canada, and that 100% of the provinces are not needed to change the constitution, isn't the legal interpretation that our constitution is valid in Quebec regardless?

   

[QUOTE BY= michou]And dino, before you comment on it, could you at least read Professor Alesina's article in full first ?[/QUOTE] <br />No he won't. If you're lucky he will only read your quote before twisting it into whatever interpretation his imagination feels up to today. <br /> <br />Si j'me fie aux participants sur ce site, j'en déduis que les fédéralistes ne sont pas des gens intègres. Soit, ils souhaitent que la culture québécoise périsse à l'intérieur du Canada, ou ils souhaitent que le Québec crève en tant que pays souverain.

   

[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br /> <br /> <br />1. Small nations will fluorish? It's about economic power, stupid. <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Even stupidity gets it right sometimes and you got it right this time around Perturbed, IT IS ABOUT ECONOMY. <br /> <br />Here is a link to a commentary I posted a few days back. You may have missed it, so here it is again: <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentaries/commentary_text.php4?id=141&lang=1&m=series">Its the Size of the Market, not the Country that Counts </a> <br />By Alberto Alesina, Professor of economics at Harvard University <br /> <br />Dino, Professor Alesina wrote the following with you in mind. <br /> <br />Quote from article : <br />"In 1946 there were 76 independent nations, by 1996 there were 192. Of these, more than half had populations under 6 million; 58, less than 2 ´´ million; and 35, less than ´´ million. Size does not seem to determine a country's success." <br /> <br />And dino, before you comment on it, could you at least read Professor Alesina's article in full first ? <br />Thank you.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Yes, I get that....I was responding to the fact that you said Newfoudnland, Alberta etc. would want to separate. Newfoundland? <br /> <br />Canada is a big market for things such as cars (19 billion) and manufacturers would be hurt in any province that separated..... <br /> <br />Yes Michou, there are now 192 nations, but I'll let you in on a well-known piece of information: they are horrible places to live. Selling rice doesn't pay. <br /> <br />Most of those 192 countries have a horrible standard of living--what actually affects the majority of people.

   

Michou I read it. <br />Samuel I'm a girl I just got my name from a tv show. <br /> <br />Michou maybe you should learn how many of these countries were formed because they became independent from there COLONIAL MASTERS!!!!!! They were all subjected to british rule or french rule and according to the United Nations then that is perfectly legal for countries in africa like Zimbabwe that got rid of british rule in 1980 then it was recognized as a country. Most african nations didn't become independent still 1950's and up.There are 73 african countries then there is the soviet union that's why there has been such a huge surge in new countries. <br /> <br />Now who is colonizing Quebec? French Canadians are not a colonized people that's why the separation argument is weak. "WE need to protect our culture and language!!!" <br /> <br />Find me one region in this world that signed a constitution with a country then decided 20 years later decided" hmmmm let's form our own country." Believe me you can't. <br /> <br />Perturbed if Quebec chooses to split nothing is holding them from going because they can always remind people that the they never entered the Constitution. That is why there was meech lake and charlotte accord. IT was to put an end to seperation. People like Bouchard and Duceppe campaigned not to sign it because it would have ended there fantasy of Quebec becoming a country. <br /> <br />Now I'm not certain on this but my Canadian history teacher told us that in 1980 if Quebec had won it would also be valid because Quebec could claim that they weren't British and that the BNA (British North American Act) was not a constitution (It wasn't.)(This is a reason why Trudeau promised during the 80's referendum that he would get a Canadian constitution.) If in this century if the federal government were to hold a referendum asking Quebecers if they wanted to join and 50.1% said yes then that would forsurely be documented in Canadian history that Quebec wanted in and the talk of separation would be over. <br /> <br />Samuel and Michou have you anything to go against what I've just written? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>

   

There would be no more Québec culture had we entered your Constitution. Your fantasy of seeing a sovereigntist OR federalist Québec governement enter into it just that, a fantasy. Stop your rambling as though it's a "fait accompli" or think it will happen because Quebeckers will <u>not</u> let it happen.

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] Michou I read it. <br />Samuel I'm a girl I just got my name from a tv show. <br /> <br />Michou maybe you should learn how many of these countries were formed because they became independent from there COLONIAL MASTERS!!!!!! They were all subjected to british rule or french rule and according to the United Nations then that is perfectly legal for countries in africa like Zimbabwe that got rid of british rule in 1980 then it was recognized as a country. Most african nations didn't become independent still 1950's and up.There are 73 african countries then there is the soviet union that's why there has been such a huge surge in new countries. <br /> <br />Now who is colonizing Quebec? French Canadians are not a colonized people that's why the separation argument is weak. "WE need to protect our culture and language!!!" <br /> <br />Find me one region in this world that signed a constitution with a country then decided 20 years later decided" hmmmm let's form our own country." Believe me you can't. <br /> <br />Perturbed if Quebec chooses to split nothing is holding them from going because they can always remind people that the they never entered the Constitution. That is why there was meech lake and charlotte accord. IT was to put an end to seperation. People like Bouchard and Duceppe campaigned not to sign it because it would have ended there fantasy of Quebec becoming a country. <br /> <br />Now I'm not certain on this but my Canadian history teacher told us that in 1980 if Quebec had won it would also be valid because Quebec could claim that they weren't British and that the BNA (British North American Act) was not a constitution (It wasn't.)(This is a reason why Trudeau promised during the 80's referendum that he would get a Canadian constitution.) If in this century if the federal government were to hold a referendum asking Quebecers if they wanted to join and 50.1% said yes then that would forsurely be documented in Canadian history that Quebec wanted in and the talk of separation would be over. <br /> <br />Samuel and Michou have you anything to go against what I've just written? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Meech Lake was extreme provincialism however, and Trudeau denounced that. The fedearl government would be meaningless with a constitution like Meech Lake. We'd be the Balkans, and we'd all be miserable.

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] Michou I read it. <br />Samuel I'm a girl I just got my name from a tv show. <br /> <br />Michou maybe you should learn how many of these countries were formed because they became independent from there COLONIAL MASTERS!!!!!! They were all subjected to british rule or french rule and according to the United Nations then that is perfectly legal for countries in africa like Zimbabwe that got rid of british rule in 1980 then it was recognized as a country. Most african nations didn't become independent still 1950's and up.There are 73 african countries then there is the soviet union that's why there has been such a huge surge in new countries. <br /> <br />Now who is colonizing Quebec? French Canadians are not a colonized people that's why the separation argument is weak. "WE need to protect our culture and language!!!" <br /> <br />Find me one region in this world that signed a constitution with a country then decided 20 years later decided" hmmmm let's form our own country." Believe me you can't. <br /> <br />Perturbed if Quebec chooses to split nothing is holding them from going because they can always remind people that the they never entered the Constitution. That is why there was meech lake and charlotte accord. IT was to put an end to seperation. People like Bouchard and Duceppe campaigned not to sign it because it would have ended there fantasy of Quebec becoming a country. <br /> <br />Now I'm not certain on this but my Canadian history teacher told us that in 1980 if Quebec had won it would also be valid because Quebec could claim that they weren't British and that the BNA (British North American Act) was not a constitution (It wasn't.)(This is a reason why Trudeau promised during the 80's referendum that he would get a Canadian constitution.) If in this century if the federal government were to hold a referendum asking Quebecers if they wanted to join and 50.1% said yes then that would forsurely be documented in Canadian history that Quebec wanted in and the talk of separation would be over. <br /> <br />Samuel and Michou have you anything to go against what I've just written? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />I disagree, because our constitution is still valid in Quebec whether or not they sign it.....most countries would never even let an autocratic province hold a referendum and count the votes on such an issue. <br /> <br />I don't think it matters what the United Nations thinks, they're elites too--it matters what our laws say. The UN doesn't respect hte sovereignty of any country they invade, so you know. <br /> <br />I think it's obvious that people can be manipulated by elites to do things....who knows why the separatism started to be so huge all of a sudden. The world is more than it seems.

   

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed]The world is more than it seems.[/QUOTE] <br />Obviously not by your standards, Perturbed.

   

Yah I thought meech lake and the charlotte town accord were stupid too. <br /> <br />Samuel,50.1% quebecers support entering a constitution is not fantasy at all. Last time I check the separatist movement has never WON an election. The majority of Quebecers would rather go get a constitutional agreement then break apart the country. Not all separatists in Quebec are like you Samuel some actually have the brains to see that breaking up a country is not that easy!

   

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br />I disagree, because our constitution is still valid in Quebec whether or not they sign it.....most countries would never even let an autocratic province hold a referendum and count the votes on such an issue.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Yah I agree that most countries wouldn't let a province hold a referendum but aleast people can see that the Canadian government doesn't try to silence democracy. In Spain the separatist party aren't even aloud in parliament and Taiwan 90% want to be a country but can't since they have to deal with the Chinese government. At least Quebecers get to decide with elections. I personally find it to be a weakness for Canada to have a separatist party in this country. But they need to enter the constitution to have the issue be put to rest. I believe that the majority of Quebecers would enter it if it meant ending the talk of separatists! <br /> <br />All that would be needed is 50.1% <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

   

Dino, no federalist OR sovereigntist Québec government will ever, EVER bring up the issue of entering your Constitution with the people of Québec. Both federalist AND sovereigntist political parties in Québec know better than to trust the "centralists" that make it to Ottawa, no matter who they are. <br /> <br />Your accusation/insult is completely false, I know first hand that no country is easily seceded from and built, Québec being my case in point.

   

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br /> <br />Don`t dilute French among other languages. After it`s gone, ît won`t be an official language anymore. You can replace it with whatever you want : <br />gaelic <br />urdu <br />filipino <br />swahili <br />cantonese <br />portuguese <br /> <br />or, if you wish, all of the above [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />What makes you think that in the RARE even that Quebec seperates from the rest of Canada we will go back to being unilingual, we have a HUGE Francophone community in the rest of Canada which now finds it easier to live amongst us Anglophones thanks to Bilingualism and since we have had it for over 30 years it would cost a fortune to go back and change everything back to English only. What would be the point?????? Also in that unlikely event of seperation it will make it easier once Quebeckers decide that they want to be part of Canada again to come back, no hard feelings <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

   

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