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I am. There is enough erosion of Canadian traditions these days through immigration and youthful disinterest without going out of our way to remove it.

Frankly, as much as I hear complaints about recent immigrants not trying to fit in or adapt to Canadian traditions, it's hard to do so when we are so quick to do it ourselves.

   

The Harp maybe in reference to the "National instrument of Wales" but that might be pushing it. The flag does become more politically correct using that reference.

   

The monarchy are all descended from the Normans. Hence the French bit. The flag is the Royal Standard with a few bits added for William. The Harp, Lion Rampant, Fleur and the three lions of England have been on the Royal standard for about 400 years. Sinple stuff to google.

   

You really don't know anything about this subject do you? Why guess wrongly?

   

Really now. Why would you say that? The flag is of Canadian design hence the maple leaves at the bottom. The Fleur de Lis, Lions & Harp are symbols of our founding nations England, Scotland, France & Ireland. I only bring in the Welsh factor as an alternative. The Irish broke the yoke of British hegemony less than 100 years ago and would be less than pleased being associated with the Royals on a "personal flag"

   

It's been adapted for the Royal tour. And you continue to display your ignorance of the UK and Eire. Wales was conquered in the 10th century, prior to the Norman invasion. I'd step away now if I was you. Post on something you have knowledge of.

   

They haven't been Norman for quite a few centuries. The Tudors , the Stewarts, the hanoverians and the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas of today would have a very tenuous connection to the Norman dynasties, the Angevins and the Plantagenets. I doubt if houses Lancaster and York saw themselves as 'Normans'....although they didn't relinquish their claims on the French throne.

   

That's the other French link, Plantagenet’s and on. The Channel Islands are the remaining bits of the Norman-French, Plantagenet, Tudor dynasty with lands in France. The impact of the Brits French links shouldn't be underestimated. Even Kings such as Richard 1st (Lionheart) couldn't speak English.

Henry VIII took refuge in France as a teen. The Stuart Kings had major links with France (17th century King James II is buried just outside Paris)up until William of Orange’s time. That's way past Tudor times. Once the Hanoverian bunch came in the French ties were loosened somewhat.

   

George I and II didn't either. French was the language spoken by the educated nobility in most European nations at the time. this was true even into the 19th century. One of the 'reforms' of Peter the Great was to make his boyars all speak french in the Russian court.

   

Educate me.

   

Do it yourself. I did.

   

Then stop blowing smoke.

   

I get tired of people posting utter bullshit on subjects they know nothing about. Personally I debate on matters I have a good working knowledge of.

You Mr Weasel, should find a subject you have some knowledge of.

   

We may be at an impass here, your bafflegab may have some cogence to some. Look we are talking the "personal flag of William" as designed & approved in Canada (the Canadian coat of arms as a basis). I originally brought up the Harp because of the animus the Irish have toward England witness the Rebellion 1916-17 & the IRA. In jest I offer up the Welsh natonal instrument as a sop. I'm slightly incredulous given your self directed higher knowledge of the subject, you would not pick up on the subtlety of the statement.

   

Fair enough. I've heard this argument before, but they usually come from the same people who would willingly and happily erode other Canadian traditions.

   

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