Canada Kicks Ass
Montreal's view on sovereignty

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Dino @ Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:15 pm

flyyul are you an anglophone or francaphone?

   



flyyul @ Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:18 pm

Francophone.<br /> <br /> What does my language have anything to do with the points I am making.<br /> <br />

   



Dino @ Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:32 pm

Nope! I was just wondering because anglophones are more federalists and francophones it's like 6 out of 10 who are separatists!

   



flyyul @ Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:36 pm

"it's like 6 out of 10 who are separatists!"<br /> <br /> -Bof.<br /> <br /> In Montreal, Franco's are not 6 out of 10. Perhaps in the Rest of Quebec,thats the way its broken down to.<br /> <br /> How many Franco's would no in a "no sovereignty association" vote <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   



Dino @ Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:49 pm

Who do you vote for in a federal election? I've always wondered why the the NDP has such a hard time getting votes in a progressive province. The liberals are even polling higher then the ndp!

   



flyyul @ Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:58 pm

I vote liberal, because for influence only.<br /> <br /> Liberals are the only ones who can protect Quebec industries, such as aerospace and biotech.<br /> <br /> A vote against the Liberals, is a vote for the conservatives.. god help us.<br /> <br /> And god help us in this province as well.<br />

   



Dino @ Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:14 am

Voting liberal is stupid. Federalists in Quebec need to stick together and vote NDP. A vote for the liberals while some are voting conservative will help elect more Bloc MP's. The conservatives look like there on the rise but the thing that will change people votes in english Canada is how federalists vote in Quebec.<br /> <br /> People are just as sick of the Liberals in english Canada as in Quebec but like you see in Ontario and other places people are so scared of electing conservatives that there willing to stay with Paul Martin who is by far on of our worst Prime ministers!<br /> <br /> The fact that the Liberals are the biggest sell outs of Canada to the united states is a reason I will always continue to vote NDP!<br /> <br /> Don't you and other federalists in Quebec ever think that the "national unity" issue is still alive because of the Liberals? They were the party that left Quebec out of the constitution then fought against meech lake and now they have this sponsorship scandal. <br /> <br /> Flyuul next election you need to put your vote towards the NDP. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br /> It's up to federalists in Quebec to get the federal government to change the constitution so this whole issue of separation can finally end. Why on earth does anyone want another referendum? I don't understand why Quebecers don't make the constitution a ballot box issue and they like yourself need to realize the only party that will change the constitution is the NDP. Not the Liberals there so hated in Quebec more Quebecers would rather help elect Stephen Harper!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/eek.gif' alt='Eek!'> The conservatives would be a disaster to the entire country. Jack Layton is the only hope!<br /> <br />

   



michou @ Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:08 am

<img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <br /> <br /> Just a few posts in and flyyul has already been dubbed stupid by dino for voting liberal.<br /> Take it in jest flyyul, everyone who doesn't think like her gets the same name calling decorum.<br /> <br /> Have fun you two !

   



Marcarc @ Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:02 am

Everybody always thinks that people who don't vote like them is stupid, that's why in Canada our votes are anonymous and its considered 'bad manners' to ask who somebody is voting for in conversation.<br /> <br /> My only points I've added elsewhere, if you are passionate about a party, make sure you join it and work for it. And think strategically, in some areas it typically is obvious that one or other party will never get elected. If you think there needs to be an NDP voice in Quebec, find the area where they got the most votes and try to help out there. As a voter you have tremendous rights of free expression and mailing lists are easy to get. Do your own brochure and state your case and send it to voters in other ridings (if you can afford it). Otherwise get on every bulletin board you can find and state your case. <br /> <br /> The one thing that is truly scary in an advanced country is when people tout their candidate as "our only hope". Truly frightening.

   



Damien @ Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:11 pm

Bien que je ne sois pas souveranaiste, si ma mémoire m'est fidèle, je crois que c'est Westmount, connus pour son refus écrasant du "oui", qui vient fausser tes données. Ne cherche plus d'ou vient ton 66%. Je crois que si une partie du Canada peux se séparer, il est également juste de considérer qu'une partie du Québec le fasse, mais aussi qu'une partie de Montréal le fasse également. Je crois que dans cet évantualité, la majeur partie de Montréal demeurerait attaché au Québec, sauf bien entendu Outre-Mont.

   



cathou79 @ Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:41 pm

outremont et wesmount, mais le reste de l'ile est sensiblement séparatiste...

   



Brother Jonathan @ Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:51 pm

What about Senneville? Baie-d’Urfé? Beaconsfield? Pointe-Claire? Mount Royal?<br /> <br /> Hmmm, I suppose that a demergerist <i>could</i> be considered a separatist of sorts… <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

   



cmab @ Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:48 am

[QUOTE BY= cathou79] outremont et wesmount, mais le reste de l'ile est sensiblement séparatiste...[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Trop pas.<br /> <br /> Je vais te nommer toutes les municipalités qui sont majoritairement composé de fédéralistes. (En gras)<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>Ahuntsic-Cartierville<br /> Anjou<br /> Beaconsfield-Baie d’Urfé<br /> Côte-des-Neiges–Notre-Dame-de-Grâce<br /> Côte-Saint-Luc–Hampstead–Montréal-Ouest<br /> Dollard-Des-Ormeaux–Roxboro<br /> Dorval–L’Île-Dorval<br /> Kirkland<br /> Lachine<br /> LaSalle</b><br /> Le Plateau-Mont-Royal<br /> Le Sud-Ouest<br /> <b>L’Île-Bizard–Sainte-Geneviève–<br /> Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue</b><br /> Mercier–Hochelaga-Maisonneuve<br /> Montréal-Nord<br /> <b>Mont-Royal<br /> Outremont<br /> Pierrefonds-Senneville<br /> Pointe-Claire</b><br /> Rivière-des-Prairies–Pointe-aux-<br /> Trembles–Montréal-Est<br /> Rosemont–La Petite-Patrie<br /> <b>Saint-Laurent<br /> Saint-Léonard<br /> Verdun<br /> Ville-Marie<br /> Villeray–Saint-Michel–<br /> Parc-Extension<br /> Westmount</b><br /> <br /> La derrière cette affirmation est que ces municipalité/quartier sont composé majoritairement d'anglophones, d'immigrants venant d'ancienne colonie britanique, et de francophone nanti. <br /> La plupart de ces arrondissment font parti des chateau forts libéraux.

   



cmab @ Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:50 am

I guess in case of a referemdum won by the sovereignist, Montreal can have its own referendum to see if it wants to become a Canadian protectorate.

   



michou @ Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:55 am

[QUOTE BY= cmab] <br /> Je vais te nommer toutes les municipalités qui sont majoritairement composé de fédéralistes. (En gras)<br /> <br /> <br /> <b>Ahuntsic-Cartierville<br /> Anjou<br /> Beaconsfield-Baie d’Urfé<br /> Côte-des-Neiges–Notre-Dame-de-Grâce<br /> Côte-Saint-Luc–Hampstead–Montréal-Ouest<br /> Dollard-Des-Ormeaux–Roxboro<br /> Dorval–L’Île-Dorval<br /> Kirkland<br /> Lachine<br /> LaSalle</b><br /> Le Plateau-Mont-Royal<br /> Le Sud-Ouest<br /> <b>L’Île-Bizard–Sainte-Geneviève–<br /> Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue</b><br /> Mercier–Hochelaga-Maisonneuve<br /> Montréal-Nord<br /> <b>Mont-Royal<br /> Outremont<br /> Pierrefonds-Senneville<br /> Pointe-Claire</b><br /> Rivière-des-Prairies–Pointe-aux-<br /> Trembles–Montréal-Est<br /> Rosemont–La Petite-Patrie<br /> <b>Saint-Laurent<br /> Saint-Léonard<br /> Verdun<br /> Ville-Marie<br /> Villeray–Saint-Michel–<br /> Parc-Extension<br /> Westmount</b><br /> <br /> .....<br /> La plupart de ces arrondissment font parti des chateau forts libéraux. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> C'est pas parce que tu nous sors les sièges gagnés par les Libéraux aux dernières élections fédérales que ceux-là vont nous révéler qu'ils sont des "chateaux forts" du fédéralisme.<br /> <br /> Pour faire de telles déclarations, les résultats du vote populaire parlent beaucoup plus forts. <br /> Pour Montréal seulement, le vote populaire aux dernières élections donne 373,019 des voix (46,7 %) au Libéraux et 280,916 (35,2 %) au Bloc Québécois. Le 18 % restant se divise entre les Conservateurs en majorité et après va au NPD. <br /> À regarder ces chiffres, je serais loin de dire que Montréal est un château fort du fédéralisme. <br /> <br /> Certains arrondissements listés sont mêmes loin d'être forts-forts. Ahuntsic par exemple, où les Libéraux ont récoltés 43.8 % des voix vs 41,2 % pour le Bloc, situation similaire situation à Outremont avec 40,9 % Libéraux et 33 % Bloc. <br /> <br /> Châteaux imprenables ? Je ne crois pas non.

   



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