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What happened to the Church in Quebec?

   

Google "La révolution tranquille".

   

I was there. I am an eye witness.

   

I think we have to tolerate the intolerant, to a point. That point is around where the Intolerant attempt to impose their intolerance upon Others. Otherwise, you don't have Liberty.

   

I've often thought that the temperance movement was quite intemperate in their temperance.

   

Remember though, England does have a state religion. Although Protestantism (if that is a word) isn't rammed down people's throats there and other religions are recognized, it would be harder to argue separation of church and state.

   

The door is being closed and has been for years. Again, a 67% Christian population showed without question they are NOT interested in being ruled by any religion as a form of govt. Nor do I see their support for such a measure increasing anytime soon.
Unless you're suggesting that nobody who is remotely religious should be allowed to run for senior level govt positions, I don't see how "secularism" can prevent religious people from running for office.
There was all kinds of hype in the past about Harper being a religious fundie. Despite the hype he's either not a fundie or he knows better than to try and shove religious crap on Canadians via govt legislation. He may suck as PM otherwise but he's not that stupid.


Jesus yer thick some days. France's problems don't arise from secularism, they arise in spite of their commitment to secularism. Your argument was that secularism would "clean the mess up" over here. France is proof that secularism does nothing to stop religious fundies from forcing their mores on others. It may not be coming from the govt, but the govt sure seems either powerless or uninterested in preventing it from happening at a neighbourhood level.

   

The govt isn't powerless. It's uninterested because the votes aren't there for it to act. As usual, it comes down to the electorate, they get what they deserve.

In BC, our biggest problem for religion in school is with Bountiful, they're free to teach all kinds of bullshit, publicly funded, because the govt is afraid to act. Doesn't set a good precedent for when Muslims demand the same deal. In Ontario there are still the separate school systems, protestant and catholic. That's bullshit that needs to be eliminated. But for the real worry, all we need to do is look south, and all the bullshit that the Christians get up to there in schools and in govt. I always worry because we seem to like to import whatever is going on down there. We need to clean up our constitution and government practices to keep religion out, or, as I say, at some point the Muslims will be able to launch a charter challenge that they want a special deal too, and good chance of being successful.

   

Tolerance should be mutual elsewise it is foolishness on the part of the person who is tolerant of those who hate him.

   

Tolerating hatred is easy....it's when they act on that hatred, that's when toleration ends.

   

Yep. A secular country that does nothing to halt the growing religious fundamentalism that is destroying their society. If you're going to argue the benefits of secularism, you'll have to do better than blaming the electorate for the lack of govt action.


The Charter is VERY specific about separate school systems ONLY being available to Protestants and Catholics. There are no provisions for any other religion to operate their own school boards with public funding. There isn't even any wiggle room for such. On top of that, any Charter challenge by Muslims would also fall flat seeing as how the UN has been bitching at us for years about our existing separate school system.

   

I always blame the electorate for govt actions. For France to confront its Muslims, it would have to deal with rioting. The only way the govt will do that is if the majority of the population is solidly behind it. Similar to the situation with our Natives.

As we've seen with Bountiful, it doesn't take a separate school system, just a community of likeminded people and a govt afraid to act.

   

In other words, secularism won't "clean up the mess" despite your assurance to the contrary.
If govt action(or inaction as the case may be) is dependent upon the will of the people, then I fail to see how having a secular govt will change anything that's going on with Bountiful.

   

Speaking of intolerance...

   

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