University of Texas removes statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis
You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site to submit news links.- #1 Hyack: Do people actually believe the removal of a few CSA flags or statues of Confederate officers or politicians will in any way change history or in any way better the lives of people today? What is the point of removing them, because some nut job had his picture taken with a Rebel flag before going out to murder a bunch of people?
- #2 DrCaleb: "Hyack" said
What is the point of removing them, because some nut job had his picture taken with a Rebel flag before going out to murder a bunch of people?
It might be they are confusing the problem with the symptom. Crazies need symbols to justify their counter society views. It's not the symbols that are the problem, it's the crazies!
(And they confuse Lee's Battle flag with the Confederate Flag . . .) - #3 BartSimpson: "DrCaleb" said
(And they confuse Lee's Battle flag with the Confederate Flag . . .)
People are stupid. I'm flying the Bonnie Blue in front of my house now since I took down my Maple Leaf after the first week of July.
No one has noticed.
- #4 DrCaleb: "BartSimpson" said
(And they confuse Lee's Battle flag with the Confederate Flag . . .)
People are stupid. I'm flying the Bonnie Blue in front of my house now since I took down my Maple Leaf after the first week of July.
No one has noticed.
When you Google 'Confederate Flag', it's mostly
and rarely:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_battle_flag
Which is why Google is a bad resource sometimes. It gives popular answers, not always the right one.
- #5 BartSimpson: The first flag of the CSA was the 'Bonnie Blue':
- #6 martin14: "BartSimpson" said
People are stupid. I'm flying the Bonnie Blue in front of my house now since I took down my Maple Leaf after the first week of July.
No one has noticed.
They probably have no idea what it is. - #7 DrCaleb: "martin14" said
People are stupid. I'm flying the Bonnie Blue in front of my house now since I took down my Maple Leaf after the first week of July.
No one has noticed.
They probably have no idea what it is.
I didn't (why would I?). That's how I found out neither does Google. - #8 DanSC: The statue was moved to a museum. No one's erasing history.
- #9 Thanos: A statue in a public place indicates veneration and respect for the subject of the statue. As he led a slave-state that had the same attitude towards black people that ISIS has towards women and heretics, I'm not sure what veneration and respect Jefferson Davis deserves in the modern era any more.
- #10 ShepherdsDog: Sherman was a slave owner right up until the passing of the 13th amendment in December of 1865, as was Ulysses Grant....so I guess anything commemorating them should be banned too. Interesting that Lee freed all his slaves even before the Emancipation Proclamation.
Interesting historical tidbit:
The state of Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment in December of 1865, and didn't ratify it until 1901. - #11 Hyack: I'm pretty sure if any country or nation were to remove statues and other articles used to venerate their heroes who were now shown to be less than sterling examples of pureness or goodness or whatever, there would no longer be very many statues left standing. It also would do absolutely nothing to change their actions or in any way alter history!
- #12 stratos: "Thanos" said
A statue in a public place indicates veneration and respect for the subject of the statue. As he led a slave-state that had the same attitude towards black people that ISIS has towards women and heretics, I'm not sure what veneration and respect Jefferson Davis deserves in the modern era any more.
With this logic then Lincoln and every president before him should also have his statue taken down throughout the Country. Lincoln allowed Maryland to remain a slave state and even ensured that his emancipation proclamation would not affect them in their slave holding status. - #13 ShepherdsDog: Delaware, Kentucky and Missouri were also slave states that remained within the union.
- #14 Lemmy: I agree with removing the flag from public places, but not this. President Davis has not become, over the past 30 years, a symbol of racism and hatred. Rednecks don't decorate their pickup trucks with statues of Jeff Davis. The KKK doesn't march with placards of Jeff Davis' image.
Jeff Davis was a unionist, btw, who only reluctantly supported secession after it was already a done-deal.