Canada vs. US (Not Military) Pros & Cons of each

grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:35 am

Actually The Founders Intent is right about the oil. The US oil shale deposits contain about 1 trillion barrels of recoverable oil. Contrast that to the tar sands holding about 175 billion. Also, the US has about 30% of the worlds coal while Canada holds about 10% - 70% of which is in Alberta. the difference between Alberta and US/Canadian coal is that Alberta coal is low in sulfur and does not cause acid rain.

Tman1 @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:58 am

Oil shale and Oil reserves are different things so no, he is not right. One trillion barrels of recoverable oil...you have a source for that? Canada mines just as much oil shale. For that matter, so does Australia and the rest of Asia...

grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:03 am

Tman1 Tman1:

Um...nope, you're just plain wrong on all your points. Here is a source for Oil Shale though. Do some reading on the topic and I reckon you'll change your tune.

Tman1 @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:06 am

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Tman1 Tman1:

Um...nope, you're just plain wrong on all your points. Here is a source for Oil Shale though. Do some reading on the topic and I reckon you'll change your tune.

Umm nope, I read all that in anticipation of your tactic and no, that proves nothing. Canada holds the second most reserves of oil in the world. Oh, and i'm not "plain" wrong on all my points which you didn't disprove at all but resolve to the ultimate websearchin via researchin wiki article. Nice try though. Where's this one trillion barrels of recoverable energy come from?

grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:13 am

Tman1 Tman1:

You can always tell a liberal you just can't tell him much.

Why don't you explain how Canada's estimates of 200 billion exceed the US estimate of 1.2 trillion?

Problem here is that you are letting patriotism cloud fact. Big deal if there is more oil there. It is not being recovered anytime soon and has some serious environmental problems associated with its recovery.

Tman1 @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:24 am

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Tman1 Tman1:

You can always tell a liberal you just can't tell him much.

Why don't you explain how Canada's estimates of 200 billion exceed the US estimate of 1.2 trillion?

Problem here is that you are letting patriotism cloud fact. Big deal if there is more oil there. Problem here is that you are letting patriotism cloud fact.

$1:

You can always tell a liberal you just can't tell him much.

Translation - You have nothing. Move along with your political insults.

$1:

Why don't you explain how Canada's estimates of 200 billion exceed the US estimate of 1.2 trillion?

Source? Again, provide the source or move along. Are you disputing the fact that Canada has the second largest reserves of oil in the world? Jesus, why the hell would you be arguing about something like that? Interesting.

$1:

Problem here is that you are letting patriotism cloud fact.

Nope, I've provided enough fact in this, ( damn input oil reserves in the damn websearchin you love so much) and you'll get the same damn result. You haven't. That's your problem, not mine. Sorry I have patriotism, you don't. Don't project your shortcommings on others.

grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:33 am

What are you...Iceowl lite? How much public knowledge do I have to feed you?

http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/pub ... /shale.asp

http://emd.aapg.org/technical_areas/oil_shale.cfm

http://www.kirj.ee/oilshale/

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/n ... 09,00.html

There, including the wiki I've now posted the first 5 hits in a row on Google for "oil shale" There are an additional 3,120,000 pages that I doubt will be any more influential to you then the first 5 were.

Maybe it would be better to tell me why the sky is not blue rather then to keep telling me 'that's not the right reason try another'.

Tman1 @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:38 am

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

$1:

What are you...Iceowl lite? How much public knowledge do I have to feed you?

Translation - You have nothing. Move along, move along.

Oh, and Oil shale isn't the worlds energy supply...(psss, just thought I'd tell you that)

Oh, and you have yet to address the points of Canada being the second supplier of oil or reserves in the world. Shuffle along, shuffle along.

P.S - You obviously have no idea what "Oil Shale" is, do you? I guessed as not. Oh, emoticon for you.... :roll:

$1:

Maybe it would be better to tell me why the sky is not blue rather then to keep telling me 'that's not the right reason try another'.

Right......

Tman1 @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:43 am

Seriously, what are you trying to prove here? You don't like Canada's oil reserves for some reason?

I'm not trying to fight here but I am stymied...

Hardy @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:00 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Hardy Hardy:

The fact that Quebec, or even Scotland, can still openly and freely discuss the possibility of leaving their union shows how much autonomy they really have as compared to a US state, where advocating secession could be considered an act of treason and a capital offense.

The question of whether or not a State can secede was resolved by the Civil War.

So talk about it all you want, that isn't treason. But if you take up arms to break up the country, well, that is.

Unless talking about it is considered to be some sort of aid or comfort to those opposed to the government, or a sign of being loyal to them.

Article 3, Section 3, US Constitution:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

The first US citizen to be charged with treason since WWII ended was just charged a few days ago, eh? And he is not accused of any act of violence whatever. He is accused of talking on behalf of enemies of the state.

grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:17 am

Tman1 Tman1:

Seriously, what are you trying to prove here? You don't like Canada's oil reserves for some reason?

I'm not trying to fight here but I am stymied...

???????????

It is just the truth!!

Canada is a significant player globally and is the largest single energy supplier to the US. I am more stymied as to why you would feel exposing the truth is an attack? In a comparison with the USA, Canada is generally far more likely to acknowledge truth over patriotism then the US any day.

Persiana @ Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:01 pm

Delwin Delwin:

The example you sited is that the provinces are more powerful in that they have more power to amend the constitution than in the U.S., but I would say that this is more of difference in the kind of power. The American constitution aimed to design a federal government where laws would be made. And I would not consider the power to amend the constition that you described as an individual power:

I could be wrong, but what was being referred to in this discussion could *possibly* have been the elusive & rarely known "Notwithstanding Clause" that is in our Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms. What it does, is effectively any province has the right to write a law that overrides the Federal Charter, provided they write a "notwithstanding" clause in the beginning.

$1:

The constitutional notwithstanding clause(1) set out in section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms(hereinafter referred to as the Charter of Rights or the Charter) has been controversial since its emergence from a November 1981 Federal-Provincial Conference of First Ministers. The controversy became more pronounced at the time of the 15 December 1988 Supreme Court of Canada decisions in the Ford(2) and Devine(3) cases dealing with the signage provisions of Quebec’s Bill 101 (Charter of the French Language) and the subsequent adoption by the Quebec National Assembly of Bill 178 (An Act to Amend the Charter of the French Language). This legislation contained a section 33 override clause (in this case affecting Charter of Rights guarantees of freedom of expression (section 2(b)) and equality rights (section 15)).

All rights and freedoms set out in the Charter are guaranteed, subject to reasonable limitations under the terms of section 1. This has the effect, in combination with section 32 of the Charter (making the Charter binding on Parliament and the legislatures) and section 52 of the Constitution Act, 1982 (making the Constitution, of which the Charter is a part, the supreme law of Canada), of entrenching the rights and freedoms set out in the Charter. The invocation of section 33, and especially of section 33(2), pierces the wall of constitutional entrenchment and resurrects, in particular circumstances, the sovereignty of Parliament or a legislature. Consequently, the Charter is a unique combination of rights and freedoms, some of which are fully entrenched, others of which are entrenched unless overridden by Parliament or a legislature.

That's all in legal jargon, but I think those two paragraphs summarize it reasonably clearly.

Source

tritium @ Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:50 pm

Canada vs USA.

Well this one is easy. I just returned to Canada after 12 years in the United States.

Personally, Canada's medical care is Bull Shit!! Moved to Alberta, started working in the Oil Patch.

My medical care was $89 a month in the USA. In Canada/Alberta I pay $350 every 3 months.

Cable TV/Bell ExpressVU!! HA! HA! HA! Fucking joke. I can watch the same program 4 times a night on Canadian TV. (one for each time zone) :roll:

Canadian TV/Cable sucks. Glad I kept my Tivo/DirecTV.

Cost of living. Jobs outside the patch pay $8 - $15hr on average. (Same as in the USA) Cost of food, rent is 125% more expensive in Canada

I have a 1bdrm basement apartment for $700/mo in Canada.

I had a 2drm, 2 bath, fireplace, washer/dryer, dishwasher, brand new apt for $574/mo

McDonalds! $18 for 2 in Canada. $12 for 2 in the USA. Not to metion a better choice of restaurants.

In short. CANADA SUCKS HARD COCK!!!

All I can say is: http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.htm

tritium @ Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:51 pm

:twisted:

Tricks @ Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:14 pm

Welcome back troll.

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