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Benoit @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:55 am
ridenrain ridenrain:
Since no one is shooting each other over cotton for clothes and canola for oil, I don't see why this alternative is so nessesary.
Cotton subsidies are at the heart of international trade wars since the inception of the GATT (now the WTO).
ridenrain @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:58 am
I've still not heard of a cotton grop-op rip resulting in deaths.
Benoit @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:01 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
I've still not heard of a cotton grop-op rip resulting in deaths.
Africa is the best hiding place for that kind of crimes.
ridenrain @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:03 pm
You’re simply ignoring the fact that hemp has no practical economic value except as a drug.
Benoit @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:09 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
You’re simply ignoring the fact that hemp has no practical economic value except as a drug.
The valuing process is more complex than you think. For instance, imagine the tobacco lobby gone and you will see hemp with new eyes.
commanderkai @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:15 pm
Benoit Benoit:
ridenrain ridenrain:
You’re simply ignoring the fact that hemp has no practical economic value except as a drug.
The valuing process is more complex than you think. For instance, imagine the tobacco lobby gone and you will see hemp with new eyes.
If we ban tobacco...which piece by piece is getting banned. So...why would we legalize pot?
Dr Caleb @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:17 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Dr Caleb Dr Caleb:
ridenrain ridenrain:
The problem is that 99% of the drugs grown here are not for personal use but for smuggling into the US for outrageous profit. This is the domain of organized crime and the cause of most of the crime in BC.
So, what does that have to do with Hemp?
Because, the only reason the article is posted is because of the "recreational" use of hemp, not for the industrial or agricultural uses, which is completely legal in 30 countries, like Canada, and even the US has experiments with the hemp plant.
Are you referring to marijuana? Because 'hemp' has no THC, and no 'recreational uses' other than if it's made into rope and used as such.
It is a textile. hemp != marijuana. Watch the accompanying videos. There is no 'recreational' use described in them.
commanderkai commanderkai:
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The arguments the original poster made no sense, and once again his reasonings literally had nothing to do with hemp at all. If the article was truly about hemp usage, then there would be a topic, but there isn't.
The arguments the original poster made no sense, and once again his reasonings literally had nothing to do with hemp at all. If the article was truly about hemp usage, then there would be a topic, but there isn't.
The original poster made no arguments, he reprinted the article at the provided link.
The link presents videos:
"Hemp for Food"
"Hemp for Victory!" (discussing hemp usage and how to plant hemp during WWII, for hemp rope and canvas sails)
"Hemp - The Environmentally Sustainable Alternative"
"Hemp for Biodiesel Fuel"
"Hemp to Solve Global Warming"
Did you watch any of them?
So, I don't see where the original poster made no case for Hemp usage (as a textile, etc.), when all videos are about exactly that.
ridenrain ridenrain:
Since no one is shooting each other over cotton for clothes and canola for oil, I don't see why this alternative is so nessesary.
So, who is shooting each other over hemp? All the cotton and canola farmers?
Hemp doesn't need fertilizer or herbicides as canola or cotton do. It can also be planted more densely (4 inches) than ether.
Benoit @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:21 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Benoit Benoit:
ridenrain ridenrain:
You’re simply ignoring the fact that hemp has no practical economic value except as a drug.
The valuing process is more complex than you think. For instance, imagine the tobacco lobby gone and you will see hemp with new eyes.
If we ban tobacco...which piece by piece is getting banned. So...why would we legalize pot?
We are only banning tobacco from the public sphere because the smoke prevents people to master the events that are affecting them as independent individuals.
ridenrain @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:32 pm
Dr Caleb:
As commanderkai pointed out, hemp is already a legal crop for Canadian farmers.
We've also seen that it has very limited comercial value, otherwise it would be more popular.
There can be no question however that a great ammount of the crime and violence in Canadian society is caused by organized crime and the illegal drug industry.
commanderkai @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:32 pm
Benoit Benoit:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Benoit Benoit:
ridenrain ridenrain:
You’re simply ignoring the fact that hemp has no practical economic value except as a drug.
The valuing process is more complex than you think. For instance, imagine the tobacco lobby gone and you will see hemp with new eyes.
If we ban tobacco...which piece by piece is getting banned. So...why would we legalize pot?
We are only banning tobacco from the public sphere because the smoke prevents people to master the events that are affecting them as independent individuals.
Soo...then why do you think if we can ban ciggs from the public sphere...that weed will enter the public sphere?
DrCaleb @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:11 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Dr Caleb:
As commanderkai pointed out, hemp is already a legal crop for Canadian farmers.
We've also seen that it has very limited comercial value, otherwise it would be more popular.
There can be no question however that a great ammount of the crime and violence in Canadian society is caused by organized crime and the illegal drug industry.
As commanderkai pointed out, hemp is already a legal crop for Canadian farmers.
We've also seen that it has very limited comercial value, otherwise it would be more popular.
There can be no question however that a great ammount of the crime and violence in Canadian society is caused by organized crime and the illegal drug industry.
Yes, it is legal, but you need to get a license for it first. It's a heavily regulated industry. The commercial value isn't the limiting factor; the export market is. (But, we don't need an export market for biodiesel)
Hectares of Hemp in Canada:
Canada BC AB SK MB ON QC NB NS
1998 2,400 72 38 263 606 1,164 24 214 19
1999 14,202 225 754 3,093 8,887 1,023 86 4 126
2000 5,487 291 306 1,426 2,906 217 239 0 102
2001 1,316 96 113 392 472 209 30 0 0
2002 1,530.35 200.25 123 449.40 596.70 142 19 0 0
2003 2,732.97 7.20 153.30 672.45 1,467.78 397.18 12.93 4.05 18
2004 3,530.79 18 638.58 1,003.91 1,655.28 182.51 10.46 4.05 18
2005 9,725.20 0 916 3,428.80 5,018.40 251.20 73.80 19 18
2006 20,554 111 2, 103 6,154 11,726 346 88 8 18
"The large increase in the number of hectares licensed for cultivation in 1999 was followed by phenomenal decreases in both 2000 and 2001. The decrease can be partially attributed to the lack of an export market, leaving growers with an abundant overstock." - AG. Canada
http://www4.agr.gc.ca/AAFC-AAC/display- ... 066&lang=e
Now, you point to violence in the illegal drug industry, and I ask again - What does this have to do with Hemp farmers? Or, are you just trying to relate the two in a vain effort to halt the discussion?
Diogenes @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:17 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Dr Caleb Dr Caleb:
ridenrain ridenrain:
The problem is that 99% of the drugs grown here are not for personal use but for smuggling into the US for outrageous profit. This is the domain of organized crime and the cause of most of the crime in BC.
So, what does that have to do with Hemp?
Because, the only reason the article is posted is because of the "recreational" use of hemp, not for the industrial or agricultural uses, which is completely legal in 30 countries, like Canada, and even the US has experiments with the hemp plant.
The arguments the original poster made no sense, and once again his reasonings literally had nothing to do with hemp at all. If the article was truly about hemp usage, then there would be a topic, but there isn't.
I see. Now you've changed your handle to Clair Voyant? he he who who
I posted the article for reasons of my own and smokin' the floers t'wern't one-a them
commanderkai @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:18 pm
Dr Caleb Dr Caleb:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Dr Caleb Dr Caleb:
ridenrain ridenrain:
The problem is that 99% of the drugs grown here are not for personal use but for smuggling into the US for outrageous profit. This is the domain of organized crime and the cause of most of the crime in BC.
So, what does that have to do with Hemp?
Because, the only reason the article is posted is because of the "recreational" use of hemp, not for the industrial or agricultural uses, which is completely legal in 30 countries, like Canada, and even the US has experiments with the hemp plant.
Are you referring to marijuana? Because 'hemp' has no THC, and no 'recreational uses' other than if it's made into rope and used as such.
It is a textile. hemp != marijuana. Watch the accompanying videos. There is no 'recreational' use described in them.
commanderkai commanderkai:
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The arguments the original poster made no sense, and once again his reasonings literally had nothing to do with hemp at all. If the article was truly about hemp usage, then there would be a topic, but there isn't.
The arguments the original poster made no sense, and once again his reasonings literally had nothing to do with hemp at all. If the article was truly about hemp usage, then there would be a topic, but there isn't.
The original poster made no arguments, he reprinted the article at the provided link.
The link presents videos:
"Hemp for Food"
"Hemp for Victory!" (discussing hemp usage and how to plant hemp during WWII, for hemp rope and canvas sails)
"Hemp - The Environmentally Sustainable Alternative"
"Hemp for Biodiesel Fuel"
"Hemp to Solve Global Warming"
Did you watch any of them?
I didn't even bother clicking the link since the article itself was pure garbage. I stated before, it was either his shitty quoting or the link was pure crap. So...once AGAIN I did his research for him and provided a more reasonable link without the ranting and raving about capitalism. So ignoring the fact that there are alternatives for every single one of those, except the historical one, and that countries already have it legal for different things, like construction. I never argued against the legalization of hemp, but I have pointed the sheer layers of bullshit the article had.
Plus, do you really believe this was posted on 4-20 just by "accident?"
commanderkai @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:25 pm
Diogenes Diogenes:
commanderkai commanderkai:
Dr Caleb Dr Caleb:
ridenrain ridenrain:
The problem is that 99% of the drugs grown here are not for personal use but for smuggling into the US for outrageous profit. This is the domain of organized crime and the cause of most of the crime in BC.
So, what does that have to do with Hemp?
Because, the only reason the article is posted is because of the "recreational" use of hemp, not for the industrial or agricultural uses, which is completely legal in 30 countries, like Canada, and even the US has experiments with the hemp plant.
The arguments the original poster made no sense, and once again his reasonings literally had nothing to do with hemp at all. If the article was truly about hemp usage, then there would be a topic, but there isn't.
I see. Now you've changed your handle to Clair Voyant? he he who who
I posted the article for reasons of my own and smokin' the floers t'wern't one-a them
Oh God why am I bothering? You haven't even discussed anything I said except the "Weed cures cancer" mockery. What are your reasons for posting the article? I'm being nice and letting you answer without assumptions
Oh and Dr Caleb, if there is no export market, even though 30 countries have it legal, isn't that a sign that there is no argument here? The market is saturated and underdeveloped, and hemp is no miracle cure for much of anything. It has its uses, yet they are overblown and its ease of growth makes the supply too high, and the demand is mediocre at best.
Diogenes @ Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:30 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Diogenes Diogenes:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Pretty irritating when people only answer with one sentence, isn’t it.
Whenever there are sellers and buyers, there is a market, be that for food, fuel or illegal products. As long as there is sufficient demand, there will be suppliers willing to take the risks to make that profit.
If pot plants were grown and used by the end user, there is no profit to be had, just like the chamomile.
The problem is that 99% of the drugs grown here are not for personal use but for smuggling into the US for outrageous profit. This is the domain of organized crime and the cause of most of the crime in BC.
Whenever there are sellers and buyers, there is a market, be that for food, fuel or illegal products. As long as there is sufficient demand, there will be suppliers willing to take the risks to make that profit.
If pot plants were grown and used by the end user, there is no profit to be had, just like the chamomile.
The problem is that 99% of the drugs grown here are not for personal use but for smuggling into the US for outrageous profit. This is the domain of organized crime and the cause of most of the crime in BC.
"Organised crime"
WoW! What a concept!
I have no difficulty what-so-ever in extending the concept into Banking, Law, religion and various of what is accepted as morality
That the thread has doglegged off into one use of a plant that can be bred for fiber or for its psycho-active ingredient is no surprise It was the first entrant to this thread that went all anal and with the linited visopm of one so narrowminded her(?) cas see theough a keyhoe with both eyes started ranting about the psycho active aspect
Nobody gets a gun held to their head and forced to do psycho active substances
My God man you still haven't argued ANYTHING. This thread was nowhere with your original damn post. And my "linited visopm of one so narrowminded her(?) cas see theough a keyhoe with both eyes started ranting about the psycho active aspect" never actually happened. That's what your original damn post did.
You didn't argue anything at all. Neither did your original post, and you blame ME for this? I went on about the sheer idiocy of the article's claims without any support of fact. The "Weed cures cancer!" was called MOCKERY. I mocked and imitated the original link.
An amazing bit of tautology there, Clair. In case you missed it I have no desire to "debate" "argue" or anyother mind warp you so want to enter into. There is no blame directed towards you.
What you believe is the mockery
Man! You're hilarious with the 4 20 bit
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