Canada Kicks Ass
How Canada stole the American Dream

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Blue_Nose @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:14 pm

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I agree with the general sentiment, I’m not sure if you can realistically say that life is better up here.

An unscientific approach I’ve taken is just my observations on my annual trips to the in-laws place in St Pete’s Fla.

Everything, I mean everything is cheaper there.
Houses, food, gas, cars, booze, going out, clothes, and in my particular case, camera gear. I bought $2800 US worth of gear which would have cost me $5200 at Henry’s. Same stuff made in Japan, just way more expensive in Canada.

You guys ever go clothes shopping in the US? Dirt cheap compared to here.

Vehicles are still 25-30% cheaper in the US.
Same vehicles but “Canadian” prices. As in way more expensive.
Easy enough to check out on the web as we pat each other on the back…..

I’ll go along with this article when Canadian stores are at least as competitive as US stores and when I notice an influx ( more than a point percentage) of Yanks moving north for the Canadian dream I might give this article some credibilty.
MacLeans is hardly unbiased on US-Canada stuff.
I had no idea inexpensive merchandise constituted the American Dream.

   



Chagrin @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:16 pm

Success and happiness is the American Dream I think.

   



Public_Domain @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:20 pm

:|

   



ManifestDestiny @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:24 pm

$1:
U.S. is better than Canada
By MICHAEL COREN -- For the Toronto Sun

I love this country. I came here almost 19 years ago and have spent the majority of my adult life here.

It pains me to say it, it really does. But the fact is that in so many areas and walks and ways of life, the United States is now a better country than Canada.

There, I've said it. Because I'm so very tired of the way, particularly in the last two years, that we Canadians have come to define ourselves not by who we are but by who we are not.

At its most innocuous, it is a mere insecurity about our southern neighbours. At its most repugnant, however, it is publicly funded mediocrities screaming abuse at a great and noble nation because their own self-esteem is so fragile. With a malodorous stew of ignorance and malice, they pump Canada at the expense of deflating the United States.

They say that we are about peace and they are about war. Nonsense. We haven't been able to keep the peace for years even if we'd wanted to do so. We haven't the aircraft or the equipment. It's the Americans who send most of the aid and keep most of the peace.

They say we are informed and intelligent, they are insular and foolish. Harvard, Yale, Princeton and a plethora of world-class universities. Nobel Prize winners by the dozen, internationally renowned scientists, scholars and sages. Goodness me, they even produce better anti-Americans than we do.

They say we are sophisticated, they are dumb. Yet they have more symphony orchestras, more theatres, more libraries, more museums per head than we do in Canada.

They say we are free, they are not. Really? Take the example of Fox News. For years this right-of-centre network was barred from Canadian airwaves, while we publicly funded left-of-centre equivalents such as the CBC.

Fox is now available on digital cable and, well, nothing has changed at all. In other words, Canadians are not quite as pathetic and vulnerable as our leaders assume. We can be trusted with alternative views.

They say we have arts and culture while all they have is trash television. Not quite. They have a massive variety of television, including the most trashy. Thing is, we have tried to produce trash TV but failed. As we fail when we try to copy American legal dramas, police dramas, historical dramas.

They say we produce art movies while they produce mere populism. Not so. In spite of generous government funding, we make variations on a theme. A dying town somewhere in rural Canada, gay characters struggling to be understood, the fight against racism and a bigoted Christian somewhere on the scene. Oh, and a few pornographic images thrown in for good measure.

They say we have diversity and wit in our press, while they have conformity and lack of style. Yet every American city has a number of impressive daily newspapers and most small towns have weekly publications. They have liberal and conservative, religious and secular, black and white.

They have wide and different ownership, a multitude of different and contrary expression, the right to say almost anything, the liberty to question authority, the expectation of argument and debate, the protection of the basic right to speak one's mind.

Bashers of the U.S. say we have the separation of church and state while they have too much religion. The truth is that they have a constitutional requirement to separate church and state but allow religion to have its place in the public square, thus giving voice to so many brilliant and ethical people.

We effectively silence people of faith, lie to and about them and insult the very ideas that founded Canada itself. We stifle talk of moral behaviour in the name of morality. We deny the difference between right and wrong and then condemn people as being wrong if they disagree.

We say we are mature and they are childish. Which shows just how immature we are and how much growing up we need to do.

Time to put away the toys of smugness and conceit and make our own way in the world. With or without a government grant.

   



bootlegga @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:19 pm

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I agree with the general sentiment, I’m not sure if you can realistically say that life is better up here.

An unscientific approach I’ve taken is just my observations on my annual trips to the in-laws place in St Pete’s Fla.

Everything, I mean everything is cheaper there.
Houses, food, gas, cars, booze, going out, clothes, and in my particular case, camera gear. I bought $2800 US worth of gear which would have cost me $5200 at Henry’s. Same stuff made in Japan, just way more expensive in Canada.

You guys ever go clothes shopping in the US? Dirt cheap compared to here.

Vehicles are still 25-30% cheaper in the US.
Same vehicles but “Canadian” prices. As in way more expensive.
Easy enough to check out on the web as we pat each other on the back…..

I’ll go along with this article when Canadian stores are at least as competitive as US stores and when I notice an influx ( more than a point percentage) of Yanks moving north for the Canadian dream I might give this article some credibilty.
MacLeans is hardly unbiased on US-Canada stuff.


I had no idea inexpensive merchandise constituted the American Dream.


:lol:

   



bootlegga @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:23 pm

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
$1:
U.S. is better than Canada
By MICHAEL COREN -- For the Toronto Sun

I love this country. I came here almost 19 years ago and have spent the majority of my adult life here.

It pains me to say it, it really does. But the fact is that in so many areas and walks and ways of life, the United States is now a better country than Canada.

There, I've said it. Because I'm so very tired of the way, particularly in the last two years, that we Canadians have come to define ourselves not by who we are but by who we are not.

At its most innocuous, it is a mere insecurity about our southern neighbours. At its most repugnant, however, it is publicly funded mediocrities screaming abuse at a great and noble nation because their own self-esteem is so fragile. With a malodorous stew of ignorance and malice, they pump Canada at the expense of deflating the United States.

They say that we are about peace and they are about war. Nonsense. We haven't been able to keep the peace for years even if we'd wanted to do so. We haven't the aircraft or the equipment. It's the Americans who send most of the aid and keep most of the peace.

They say we are informed and intelligent, they are insular and foolish. Harvard, Yale, Princeton and a plethora of world-class universities. Nobel Prize winners by the dozen, internationally renowned scientists, scholars and sages. Goodness me, they even produce better anti-Americans than we do.

They say we are sophisticated, they are dumb. Yet they have more symphony orchestras, more theatres, more libraries, more museums per head than we do in Canada.

They say we are free, they are not. Really? Take the example of Fox News. For years this right-of-centre network was barred from Canadian airwaves, while we publicly funded left-of-centre equivalents such as the CBC.

Fox is now available on digital cable and, well, nothing has changed at all. In other words, Canadians are not quite as pathetic and vulnerable as our leaders assume. We can be trusted with alternative views.

They say we have arts and culture while all they have is trash television. Not quite. They have a massive variety of television, including the most trashy. Thing is, we have tried to produce trash TV but failed. As we fail when we try to copy American legal dramas, police dramas, historical dramas.

They say we produce art movies while they produce mere populism. Not so. In spite of generous government funding, we make variations on a theme. A dying town somewhere in rural Canada, gay characters struggling to be understood, the fight against racism and a bigoted Christian somewhere on the scene. Oh, and a few pornographic images thrown in for good measure.

They say we have diversity and wit in our press, while they have conformity and lack of style. Yet every American city has a number of impressive daily newspapers and most small towns have weekly publications. They have liberal and conservative, religious and secular, black and white.

They have wide and different ownership, a multitude of different and contrary expression, the right to say almost anything, the liberty to question authority, the expectation of argument and debate, the protection of the basic right to speak one's mind.

Bashers of the U.S. say we have the separation of church and state while they have too much religion. The truth is that they have a constitutional requirement to separate church and state but allow religion to have its place in the public square, thus giving voice to so many brilliant and ethical people.

We effectively silence people of faith, lie to and about them and insult the very ideas that founded Canada itself. We stifle talk of moral behaviour in the name of morality. We deny the difference between right and wrong and then condemn people as being wrong if they disagree.

We say we are mature and they are childish. Which shows just how immature we are and how much growing up we need to do.

Time to put away the toys of smugness and conceit and make our own way in the world. With or without a government grant.



Translation: America is better because it is more right leaning, which is also his own political bias.

He's entitled to his opinion. Canada was built on the group, not the individual. Personally, I'm surprised he can stand living in Toronto. Based on his article, he must consider it akin to life in hell...

If he doesn't like the rest of us Commies, then he can feel free to join his 'free' brethren south of the border.

   



Chagrin @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:35 pm

bootlegga bootlegga:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
$1:
U.S. is better than Canada
By MICHAEL COREN -- For the Toronto Sun

I love this country. I came here almost 19 years ago and have spent the majority of my adult life here.

It pains me to say it, it really does. But the fact is that in so many areas and walks and ways of life, the United States is now a better country than Canada.

There, I've said it. Because I'm so very tired of the way, particularly in the last two years, that we Canadians have come to define ourselves not by who we are but by who we are not.

At its most innocuous, it is a mere insecurity about our southern neighbours. At its most repugnant, however, it is publicly funded mediocrities screaming abuse at a great and noble nation because their own self-esteem is so fragile. With a malodorous stew of ignorance and malice, they pump Canada at the expense of deflating the United States.

They say that we are about peace and they are about war. Nonsense. We haven't been able to keep the peace for years even if we'd wanted to do so. We haven't the aircraft or the equipment. It's the Americans who send most of the aid and keep most of the peace.

They say we are informed and intelligent, they are insular and foolish. Harvard, Yale, Princeton and a plethora of world-class universities. Nobel Prize winners by the dozen, internationally renowned scientists, scholars and sages. Goodness me, they even produce better anti-Americans than we do.

They say we are sophisticated, they are dumb. Yet they have more symphony orchestras, more theatres, more libraries, more museums per head than we do in Canada.

They say we are free, they are not. Really? Take the example of Fox News. For years this right-of-centre network was barred from Canadian airwaves, while we publicly funded left-of-centre equivalents such as the CBC.

Fox is now available on digital cable and, well, nothing has changed at all. In other words, Canadians are not quite as pathetic and vulnerable as our leaders assume. We can be trusted with alternative views.

They say we have arts and culture while all they have is trash television. Not quite. They have a massive variety of television, including the most trashy. Thing is, we have tried to produce trash TV but failed. As we fail when we try to copy American legal dramas, police dramas, historical dramas.

They say we produce art movies while they produce mere populism. Not so. In spite of generous government funding, we make variations on a theme. A dying town somewhere in rural Canada, gay characters struggling to be understood, the fight against racism and a bigoted Christian somewhere on the scene. Oh, and a few pornographic images thrown in for good measure.

They say we have diversity and wit in our press, while they have conformity and lack of style. Yet every American city has a number of impressive daily newspapers and most small towns have weekly publications. They have liberal and conservative, religious and secular, black and white.

They have wide and different ownership, a multitude of different and contrary expression, the right to say almost anything, the liberty to question authority, the expectation of argument and debate, the protection of the basic right to speak one's mind.

Bashers of the U.S. say we have the separation of church and state while they have too much religion. The truth is that they have a constitutional requirement to separate church and state but allow religion to have its place in the public square, thus giving voice to so many brilliant and ethical people.

We effectively silence people of faith, lie to and about them and insult the very ideas that founded Canada itself. We stifle talk of moral behaviour in the name of morality. We deny the difference between right and wrong and then condemn people as being wrong if they disagree.

We say we are mature and they are childish. Which shows just how immature we are and how much growing up we need to do.

Time to put away the toys of smugness and conceit and make our own way in the world. With or without a government grant.



Translation: America is better because it is more right leaning, which is also his own political bias.

He's entitled to his opinion. Canada was built on the group, not the individual. Personally, I'm surprised he can stand living in Toronto. Based on his article, he must consider it akin to life in hell...

If he doesn't like the rest of us Commies, then he can feel free to join his 'free' brethren south of the border.
That seems to be a pretty common stance with Canadians I've seen. Basically, "if you have an opinion on our country, you can GTFO" is what it boils down to.

   



dog77_1999 @ Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:08 pm

Despite all of our problems though, America is still a great country. There is a reason why there will be 100 million more Americans in the next 30 years.

   



Public_Domain @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:31 am

:|

   



Chagrin @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:20 pm

Yes, I do agree as well. There are better forums for Americans to voice their beliefs in a hostile way.

However, if you do voice your beliefs, make sure it's in a nice way so we can have a civil discussion. This is for my fellow Americans.

   



ShintoMale @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:47 pm

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I agree with the general sentiment, I’m not sure if you can realistically say that life is better up here.

An unscientific approach I’ve taken is just my observations on my annual trips to the in-laws place in St Pete’s Fla.

Everything, I mean everything is cheaper there.
Houses, food, gas, cars, booze, going out, clothes, and in my particular case, camera gear. I bought $2800 US worth of gear which would have cost me $5200 at Henry’s. Same stuff made in Japan, just way more expensive in Canada.

You guys ever go clothes shopping in the US? Dirt cheap compared to here.

Vehicles are still 25-30% cheaper in the US.
Same vehicles but “Canadian” prices. As in way more expensive.
Easy enough to check out on the web as we pat each other on the back…..

I’ll go along with this article when Canadian stores are at least as competitive as US stores and when I notice an influx ( more than a point percentage) of Yanks moving north for the Canadian dream I might give this article some credibilty.
MacLeans is hardly unbiased on US-Canada stuff.




there is more to life than cheaper crap in the U.S i went to florida in 2007 and i find it boring and flat

   



saturn_656 @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:53 pm

ShintoMale ShintoMale:
there is more to life than cheaper crap in the U.S i went to florida in 2007 and i find it boring and flat


Sounds a lot like Saskatchewan.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:56 pm

Streaker Streaker:
Good article, boots.

I'm glad you posted it. If I had it would likely have been nuked. :lol:


As someone who has nuked you three times* I would say I'd likely nuke you again for this. :lol:


* In Cybernations

   



Chagrin @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:18 pm

ShintoMale ShintoMale:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I agree with the general sentiment, I’m not sure if you can realistically say that life is better up here.

An unscientific approach I’ve taken is just my observations on my annual trips to the in-laws place in St Pete’s Fla.

Everything, I mean everything is cheaper there.
Houses, food, gas, cars, booze, going out, clothes, and in my particular case, camera gear. I bought $2800 US worth of gear which would have cost me $5200 at Henry’s. Same stuff made in Japan, just way more expensive in Canada.

You guys ever go clothes shopping in the US? Dirt cheap compared to here.

Vehicles are still 25-30% cheaper in the US.
Same vehicles but “Canadian” prices. As in way more expensive.
Easy enough to check out on the web as we pat each other on the back…..

I’ll go along with this article when Canadian stores are at least as competitive as US stores and when I notice an influx ( more than a point percentage) of Yanks moving north for the Canadian dream I might give this article some credibilty.
MacLeans is hardly unbiased on US-Canada stuff.




there is more to life than cheaper crap in the U.S i went to florida in 2007 and i find it boring and flat

Is this the same Sephardic male that posted in the Discover vancouver forums?

Because this is Oh Rly?, I think you remember me.

   



ShintoMale @ Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:20 pm

Chagrin Chagrin:
ShintoMale ShintoMale:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I agree with the general sentiment, I’m not sure if you can realistically say that life is better up here.

An unscientific approach I’ve taken is just my observations on my annual trips to the in-laws place in St Pete’s Fla.

Everything, I mean everything is cheaper there.
Houses, food, gas, cars, booze, going out, clothes, and in my particular case, camera gear. I bought $2800 US worth of gear which would have cost me $5200 at Henry’s. Same stuff made in Japan, just way more expensive in Canada.

You guys ever go clothes shopping in the US? Dirt cheap compared to here.

Vehicles are still 25-30% cheaper in the US.
Same vehicles but “Canadian” prices. As in way more expensive.
Easy enough to check out on the web as we pat each other on the back…..

I’ll go along with this article when Canadian stores are at least as competitive as US stores and when I notice an influx ( more than a point percentage) of Yanks moving north for the Canadian dream I might give this article some credibilty.
MacLeans is hardly unbiased on US-Canada stuff.




there is more to life than cheaper crap in the U.S i went to florida in 2007 and i find it boring and flat

Is this the same Sephardic male that posted in the Discover vancouver forums?

Because this is Oh Rly?, I think you remember me.



yes i am sephardic male on DV

   



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