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"Should Canada indict Bush?"

Aggressive talk from a pipsqueak nation that’s not nearly as qualified to be
a judge of morality as it thinks it is.

   

Aggressive talk from somebody who shows up on a pro-Canadian web-site and does nothing but run down Canada. Wouldn't you be more comfortable over at Free Dominion or I Can Gripe with the other fifth columnists?

   

Not like Canada could hold Bush for long, I mean they gave only 12 yrs to a women who was a part of brutal rapes and murders. In the US the woman and the man would have been put to death(or had a life sentence), and considering there was videotapes, there is no reasonable doubt. The one woman even lied to the police, thus breaking her bargain.

   

War crimes and crimes against humanity are a bit different than a rape and murder case, Johnny.

The only western nation that still sanctions state murder is the US, BTW.

   

But come on man, 12 years when the lady obvious had a hand in the whole thing and sat back and watched 14 yr olds get raped and killed, and even helped the guy obtain some. She even gave up her sister to the guy, and she got 12 yrs. Oh, and BTW, I know the US still sanctions state murder, what I'm talking about is this light sentence the lady got for these brutal crimes. I mean, if you are saying that is all that should be needed to fix someone, then they shouldn't even give them a time, they should just send them to prison for like 2 years, that could be enough to even fix someone, so obviously it was about redemption. These people raped and killed children, and raped them in a horrible fashion, yet all the lady get's it 12 years. She even lied and left out information in her story, making her little deal with the cops not worth anything. Anyone who can sit back while someone rapes 14 yr olds, and even help the person get those kids to rape, deserves 50 - life.

   

I didn't say I agtreed with her sentence. What's that got to do with Bush though?

   

It has to do with the fact that even if Canada indicted him, he would get off lightly considering they won't even convict a child rapest/murderer to a life sentence. Also, the UN is in charge of handling war criminals. I understand that it's Canada's law against war criminals, but since you are all for the international law, don't you think before Canada indicts Bush they should go to the UN? If Canada was to indict a leader of another country because they don't agree with their policies, then you would be just as bad(acting only in your own self-interest). I don't see how you can claim to be for international law, and then go against it and enforce Canada's own laws to sentence people you all deem war criminals. Since when was Canada the judge of international law? If you want to make Canada like the United States, and hold their laws above the UN's, then you guys are going to have alot of work to do. Who's next after Bush, Putin? After Putin all the leaders of the middle east? After the leaders of the middle east any nation that has people who do crimes against their people and does things that can be looked at as wrong by Canada? I think Canada would be wise to enjoy their peace and stand from a far. Why get involved in the mess and make more of a mess?

   

I assume we're talking about Karla Hamulka (sp?) here, no?

I agree...she should have gone away for a long, long time. Unfortunately and as often is the case in these things, the prosecution didn't have enough evidence on Paul Bernardo to convict him of enough charges to keep him in jail for a long, long time so they had to bargain with Hamulka to get that evidence.

If they hadn't, then both of them would have been out a lot sooner. As it is, she's out (or out soon, not sure which), but he's not going to see the light of day for quite a while.

   

Her bargain was based on her telling the whole truth to the police, yet after the tapes were found, they found out that she had lied about some things and not told the whole story, thus she shouldn't have been able to have that bargain.

   

Hello Folks
"Indict bush???Now even if we could do that it most likely won't be the smartest thing in the world for us to do.(1) It would most likely start a war that we can't win.(2) All forms of trade would stop within 48hours after the arrest of Bush...the U.S.A would not allow any form of business with Canada intel Bush was released.(3)If Bush was imprisoned for anytime-Canada can Kiss Its Own ASS right out of the U.N as will as Nato.(Trust Me we will be hurting big time).Now if you really like to get back at Bush OR the U.S.A for any reason at all then you do what their doing to us."Hit them in their wallets!!!
"Most if not all U.S government is ran by big businesses and Corporations.Right? So go after their support." I know of almost 300 families
right now that BOYCOTTED all U.S products. We only buy Canadian foods and most everything else PLUS if we have to buy something from anyother country then we will buy from them." NOT ANYTHING FROM WITHIN THE U.S.A.". So boycott all their products. This will start forcing them Corporations and businesses to push their government to focus on a better relationship with Canada.
We all know that most if not all of the world's government is nothing more then an organized crime outfit. Straight up!!!Don't make no mistakes about it. We the people of Earth allowed it to happen Plus we even allowed our governments to ABUSE/FORCE/and even KILL anyone that thinks that their doing wrong. Their Racist and even downright Arrogant." NO man or women has the right to thrash the SICK/POOR/DISABLE/Or EVEN the forgotten Children that your Stupid mother's give up. But we do just that every day."
We also all know that BUSH is a war criminal and for the one's that don't believe it PLEASE get off your Crack pipes and start thinking for yourselves for once. Maybe then you can see the truth. He even said that he lied."So get over it. And as for Mr.Tony Blair he is only an ass kisser and BIG time BROWN NOSER. that's all that he is- a Bush Man from way back when. And as for allowing Drunk drivers in our Country Gonzo We only have to look at OUR retarded Prime Minister Gordon campbell. Now that should end any disagreements on that subject. We allow everybody here."
"I started to disrespect Bush and his so called War On Terror when I seen a 13 year old and a 15 year old get out of Guantanamo Bay. They were there for 2 Years SO that 13year old was 11years old when he was send into the Bay and the 15year old was 13years old when he was send into the bay. Now if we all remember BUSH'S OWN WORDS-he said the Guantanamo Bay doesn't have to go by the Geneva Accord or any other world laws. So Mr Bush your nothing but a Rapist and child abuser. And for anyone that Voted the moron back in. Your just as bad if not worst then your Child Abuser leader. Yes you heard me right HE's a Child abuser plus other things that I can't say on here. Why don't you U.S.A folks go after Bush to release All the CHILDREN from your so called Military Prisons...And when did the World allow 11year old's to be put into them kind of Prisons any ways???
"The American as WILL as the rest of the World should be ashamed of themselves by calling themselves christian. True Christian's don't allow the torture of children. But I guess it's easier to destroy the children then it is to vote a better leader. All your excuses will and most likely won't help you when its your turn to face GOD on you last day. Then what's your greed and ignorants going to do for you then? Besides throwing your ass in Hell were it belongs...You targeted the Weak and sick and young and poor as will as the old. And you keep going after them. Yet you still sit on your ass crying about why didn't they put milk in your tea. When society allows dictatorship and Crimes against humanity Unfortunately it also allows the imprisonment of OUR VERY SOUL'S..."So if we have to indict anyone Why not start with Ourselves first then Maybe the rest of the world will follow the lead and get with the real program. And the real program is life...Think about that one!!!

"It's very disturbing when the so called law doesn't even go after these kind of retards. There isn't NO honest courts or lawmen anymore." So YES we are a COALITION OF IDIOTS and yes we are just as bad as the Nazis and S.S groups. We Complain about mostly everything BUT we don't speak ONE word about the truth. Because its simple: Were Cowards STRAIGHT UP!!!! all of us are. So people don't worry about Bush OR the middle east-You should start worrying about what is happening in your OWN backyards. History has proven
it Over and over that Man not anyone else or anything else will terminate earth. Intel we all can live and be truthful as will as honest in life with not only ourselves but with other's then I fear as many other's in this BIG World of our's fears that we have not seen the last of dictatorship,greed,despect,as
will as Corruption and world domination. When you have the attitude of you don't care then you also separate and restrict the parts that make's you a human being. Because simply we as humans were made to do just that CARE. There has to be a balance in life and as of now we don't have that and to keep allowing the world to kill itself only show's the truth of our illness and greed...There is CONSEQUENCES people for our refusal to be honorable and respectful to other human beings. But it's your SOUL not my soul that is on the line here."Remember this always,"The government will lie,cheat and steal if it serves its self interest. And the only real way to stop it is VOTE the asshole out....Well that's it for today. GOD bless and please try to understand that we put the government in OFFICE SO we can take them out just as fast...So don't be a Victim of their brainwashing games and start being honest to them instead. They don't like honest people so they most likely will leave on their own....Vote them out!!!

   

Bush didn't actually abuse those children, plus in his point of view what he is doing is legal because he's at war. I think there's a whole lot more to the story than Bush is just a child abuser evil man. He isn't the only one running the show, and everyone can come up with tons of conspiracy theories.

One last note, if Canada was to imprison Bush it would go against the law because foriegn state representatives have immunity. 6 years down the road if Bush wants to go camping in Canada he could be arrested, but as of right now he is a state representative, and it's not like the prime minister of Canada told him he couldn't come, so he is actually a welcome guest, a state representative of a foreign country. To indict Bush would be just plain dumb and against the law. But hey, if Canada wants to start a war with the US, I suppose that's their thing....

   

That was already stated on the very 1st post. Every US president since the Nuremberg trials would be considered a war criminal if held to those same standards. That is not the point here. However, there are some here that are almost giddy with the fact that arresting a war criminal on war crimes would be criminal. Does anyone else see the irony?

   

Who of you think that the death sentence is a right punishment for murder?

In my opinoin nobody should be killed because he killed someone.
You can't kill a man when you can't give live to a man (like Gandalf said in LotR). That is my opinion...

What do u guys think about that?
Doesn't the government have to protect live and not to take it away?

Greets from Germany to my fellas in Canada, I hope I will move to you soon

And I#m sorry for my grammar and spelling mistakes, who find one can keep it

   

Should Canada indict Bush?

That would be pretty hypocritical coming from a nation founded on land stolen from the indigenous people. The stealing process employed all the same techniques that the U.S. is accused of. (Genocide,torture…etc)So it wouldn’t be like our pointing fingers aren’t covered with blood.

You might say we’ve made compensation for those crimes all should be fine.
But our First Nations brothers and sisters on reservations (read ghetto) don’t
necessarily feel that way.No amount of money can replace a lost since of heritage.

   

...and Bonny and Clyde were folk heroes. So what?



That's been pointed out a couple of times, Johnny.



He should have though. The Canadian people do not want him here.

You've missed the point of the whole discussion, Johnny. That point is whether we should be allowing Bush into the country at all. I've had similar discussions about Suharto, Maggie Thatcher, and others.




A couple of things...first of all the international laws didn't exist then and all of those leaders are dead, so trials are kind of hard to manage. Second of all we are still living the legacy of that mistake and those crimes. All this time later we have been unable to shake the trap of institutionalized racism.

   

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