U.S. bars Canadian engineer from aerospace conference
tritium @ Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:50 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Tokimini Tokimini:
Ich versuchte nicht, einen Punkt, Frage gerechten antwortenden DrCalebs zu bilden.
Falls niemand Schlag ich zu ihm hat, begrüßen Sie zum Forum!
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Thanks Bart
Tokimini Tokimini:
"Name Canadian politician who made an anti-american comment. "
Carolyn Parrish, Chrétien, the Liberals in the last election - want me to go on?
Ahh, it's so easy to reel these guys in. Let's look at why you think we aren't family any more.
Cretin? No, it was one of his aids, who called Bush a 'Moron'. He got fired for it. But still, Bush is only one American. And many Americans say far worse about El Presedente.
Carylon Parrish. "I hate those damn Americans", referring to 4 Americans she worked with on a NATO committee. Have none of us ever hated a co-worker? Because they were American, we aren't then allowed to get pissed off at co-workers?
Liberals in the last election? What didthey say that is any worse than their daily stance?
So, why most Americans think we aren't family any more is a direct result of your media deciding we shouldn't be family anymore, by quoting one or two words one politician decides to say and feeding you that soundbite until you think it's reality. Yes?
And yet, pundits like Coulter and Carlson are allowed to openly call for the destruction of Canada, and your media is conspicuiously silent. Aside of course, by giving them a voice to begin with.
Tokimini Tokimini:
Thanks Bart
And seconded, welcome! Hope you brought some nomex underwear.
ridenrain ridenrain:
Wan't that the whole idea behind Petrocan?
I don't know about you but I'd rather keep my provinces resources in the province, not the federal governments hands.
This was just a glitch by some unqualified security geek. The people who actually set up this conference didn't agree with this exclusion. Tempest in a teapot.
I believe Riden, Petro Can was created as a part of Lalonde and Trudea's National Energy Program. The idea behind that was to ensure Canadian ownership of energy based companies.
Tokimini Tokimini:
I think this is something Canadians will have to get used to. After years of anti-American comments from politicians, the press, and sites like this (the "I loath America" thread seems very popular) a great many Americans no longer consider Canada a close or trusted friend, where at one time you were basically family. Now it's passports at the border, plummeting American tourism to Canada, and Canadians barred from places they were once welcome. If Hillary gets elected it will get worse. She is an opponent of NAFTA and would love to lessen the massive trade surplus Canada now enjoys under the deal, and NORAD would probably get looked at also. A lot of Canadians seem to want to distance themselves from the states. Guess what, it's happening. It's like the old saying - be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
Really, oh that is awesome can I expect your vote for Hillary as pres then?
Tokimini Tokimini:
"Name Canadian politician who made an anti-american comment. "
Carolyn Parrish, Chrétien, the Liberals in the last election - want me to go on?
Do I need to name a US Presidental candidate that has made plenty of anti-Canadian comments?
Don't remember him? Good ole' Pat Buchanan.
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"Soviet Canuckistan" is one unflattering epithet for Canada, used by Pat Buchanan on October 31, 2002, on his television show on MSNBC in which he denounced Canadians as anti-American and the country as a haven for terrorists. He was reacting to Canadian criticisms of US security measures regarding Arab Canadians.[3] However, the term has probably been around a lot longer, and was previously used by white supremacists to describe their distaste of censorship of racist and hate speech. At least one reference to the term can be found as far back as April 2001 online.
Buchanan has a history of unflattering references to Canada, having said in 1990 that if Canada were to break apart due to the failure of the Meech Lake Accord, "America would pick up the pieces." He said two years after that "for most Americans, Canada is sort of like a case of latent arthritis. We really don't think about it, unless it acts up."
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I know two wrongs don't make a right, but the right in the US is well-known for its almost virulent anti-Canadianism, much like the left up here is known for its anti-Americanism.
It's a two way street on this issue...BTW, welcome aboard!
Those comments must have been from those few rogue bureaucrats who caused the whole HRDC / ADSCAM / STRIPPERGATE / GUN REGISTRY scandal.
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
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And yet, pundits like Coulter and Carlson are allowed to openly call for the destruction of Canada, and your media is conspicuiously silent. Aside of course, by giving them a voice to begin with.
I don't recall those.
ridenrain ridenrain:
I don't recall those.
Really?
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She said Canadians "better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."
"We could have taken them over so easy. But I only want the western part, with the ski areas, the cowboys, and the right wingers. They're the only good parts of Canada."
Ellis Henican [interviewer] asked her, "Why do you want to ridicule them and be deeply offended if they disagree with us?"
Coulter huffed, "Because they speak French."
"They don't even need to have an army, because they are protected, because they're on the same continent with the United States of America. If we were not the United States of America, Canada -- I mean, we're their trading partner. We keep their economy afloat."
- Conservative pundit Ann Coulter on the November 30 2004 edition of FOX News' Hannity & Colmes
"There is also something called, when you're allowed to exist on the same continent of the United States of America, protecting you with a nuclear shield around you, you're polite and you support us when we've been attacked on our own soil. They [Canada] violated that protocol."
- Conservative pundit Ann Coulter on the November 30 2004 edition of FOX News' Hannity & Colmes
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On CNN's "Crossfire" co-host Tucker Carlson said, "Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, but colder and much less interesting." He added that, instead of following politics, "the average Canadian is busy dog sledding."
"First of all, anybody with any ambition at all, or intelligence, has left Canada and is now living in New York. Second, anybody who sides with Canada internationally in a debate between the U.S. and Canada, say, Belgium, is somebody whose opinion we shouldn't care about in the first place. Third, Canada is a sweet country. It is like your retarded cousin you see at Thanksgiving and sort of pat him on the head. You know, he's nice, but you don't take him seriously. That's Canada."
- Tucker Carlson on the December 15, 2005 edition of MSNBC's The Situation with Tucker Carlson.
"Here's the problem with telling Canada to stop criticizing the United States: It only eggs them on. Canada is essentially a stalker, stalking the United States, right? Canada has little pictures of us in its bedroom, right? Canada spends all of its time thinking about the United States, obsessing over the United States. It's unrequited love between Canada and the United States. We, meanwhile, don't even know Canada's name. We pay no attention at all."
- Tucker Carlson on the December 15, 2005 edition of MSNBC's The Situation with Tucker Carlson.
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"Canadians should understand that storm clouds are gathering to the south. Humiliating American kids in a hockey rink is simply not acceptable. Thumbing your nose at 127 dead Americans in Iraq by making defiant statements about where Saddam should be extradited is not a wise policy... One more cheap shot, one more unnecessary taunt, one more insult directed at the USA by you or your minions, and I'll give you a very accurate long-range forecast. It's gonna get mighty cold mighty fast west of the St. Lawrence."
- Fox News host Bill O'Reilly threatens Canada because of the nation's stance against the Iraq War, April 19, 2003.
"Canada can't help us anyway. They have no military to speak of. And the socialistic system they have there has nearly bankrupted them. So Chretien is history. A new administration is upcoming. "
- Bill O'Reilly, December 11, 2003. Canada's budget surplus for the fiscal year 2002-2003 was, in fact, $7 billion.
http://www.intheirownwords.ca/rightoncanada.html
Scape @ Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:19 pm
w00t! New blood!
Immigration has been a hot potato with the liberals and were never able to nail down a comprehensive platform that made any sense. I kept getting the impression that they would keep putting it off till someone else could fix it, no political will at all. That is a major part of the problem and that this has never been a serious problem for Canada. I mean let's face it, other that the most powerful nation on earth we have two oceans and the arctic as a border. We don't have to worry about a mass of illegals entering in by foot. Until 9/11 no one cared about immigration reform and if it wasn't for that I seriously doubt it would be given a 2nd thought.
Many other countries make fine Military equipment. I say we take our $$s elswhere.
DrCaleb,
I've heard those insults you listed and many more. Some of it is sheer ignorance while some of it is rooted in truth.
If Canada had an adequate military with decent equipment and spares then that would dispel the notion that the USA protects Canada. Currently, the USA does protect Canada if only by proximity.
No one wants to mess with Canada because they'll surelyget our attention down here and we'll turn their cities to rubble and cite how nice you were to us on 9/11 while we do it.
Frankly, we'd find it easier to punish someone for attacking you than we would for attacking us on our own soil.
I liked one little comparison about the USA & Canada and I'll paraphrase it here:
Canada and the USA are like brothers. Canada is the smart, intellectual brother who reads a lot and grows up to become a professor at a respectable university and is usually right on many issues while being utopian on many issues as well.
The USA is the other brother who played football, looked good, breezed though college on a football scholarship, got a killer job as a CEO of a big company, drives a Corvette, gets all the chicks, and has an awesome house with a big screen TV and a great swimming pool. He teases the hell out of his smarter brother, periodically taunts him for being a bit of a pansy at times, but is also highly protective of him as brothers will be.
Other people look at the two of them and while they may be tempted to take advantage of the smart brother because of the perception that the two brothers don'tlike each other they realize that the rude, boorish football player will beat the crap out of anyone who messes with his brother.
The truth is that like any siblings they squabble. But God help you if you tangle with one of them because you will inevitably tangle with both of them.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb,
I've heard those insults you listed and many more. Some of it is sheer ignorance while some of it is rooted in truth.
If Canada had an adequate military with decent equipment and spares then that would dispel the notion that the USA protects Canada. Currently, the USA does protect Canada if only by proximity.
No one wants to mess with Canada because they'll surelyget our attention down here and we'll turn their cities to rubble and cite how nice you were to us on 9/11 while we do it.
Frankly, we'd find it easier to punish someone for attacking you than we would for attacking us on our own soil.
I totally agree Bart. Standard issue Canadian Tire slingshots just don't cut it in the modern world for our forces. But. it's still rather rude of her to threaten a soverign country because we disagree on (what looks like now, a very good decision) one aspect of our long history.
To quote a former Canadian Ambassador to the US, "America does not protect Canada out of a sense of duty, but out of it's own self interest. Which is more predictable anyway."
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb,
I've heard those insults you listed and many more. Some of it is sheer ignorance while some of it is rooted in truth.
If Canada had an adequate military with decent equipment and spares then that would dispel the notion that the USA protects Canada. Currently, the USA does protect Canada if only by proximity.
No one wants to mess with Canada because they'll surelyget our attention down here and we'll turn their cities to rubble and cite how nice you were to us on 9/11 while we do it.
Frankly, we'd find it easier to punish someone for attacking you than we would for attacking us on our own soil.
I totally agree Bart. Standard issue Canadian Tire slingshots just don't cut it in the modern world for our forces. But. it's still rather rude of her to threaten a soverign country because we disagree on (what looks like now, a very good decision) one aspect of our long history.
To quote a former Canadian Ambassador to the US, "America does not protect Canada out of a sense of duty, but out of it's own self interest. Which is more predictable anyway."
I used to date an American airman and he and his mates never lorded over anyone about anything. When they were on about the Yugoslavia thing they were just about doing their jobs and never made on about it.
I think a lot of people see Americans as selfish but then they never see that when bad things happen its always the Americans who show up to help and they even help their enemies. American charities send more medicines to Africa than Europe does and that is a shameful thing here since Africa really is our responsibility since it was Europeans who ruined it with the colonization and imperialism.
Americans gave more to the tsunami victims than anyone else. They did more in the last sixty years to help keep world peace than anyone else. Everyone goes on about the Americans in Iraq but what about the French who are fighting six wars in Africa right now? The French are killing more Africans right now than all of the people dying in Iraq and it just gets a little mention even on Sky News (its like your Fox) which you expect to not like the French anyways. The BBC doesn't even talk about Ivory Coast and Senegal and all the wars down there the French are fighting and they are absolutely fighting them over oil.
Americans consider it in their self-interest to prevent big wars from breaking out. Big wars like what Europe is always responsible for. If they fight little wars to prevent big wars then that makes sense. Imagine if Europe had been sensible and fought little wars to stop Franco, Hitler, and Mussolini? Then Stalin never would have had a reason to invade Europe like he did.
Everyone blames Americans for EVERYTHING.
I say they have done a better job of keeping world peace than Europe ever did because ever since they took responsibility for world peace there have been no more major wars. Before they came along to be the global constabulary there was a major war in the world every thirty years or so. Now we have peace and it is Europe that has benefitted the most because without the expensive wars to pay for we can afford health and arts and all sorts of wonderful things that peace affords.
Americans pay to keep the peace, they die to keep the peace, and we curse them as thanks for doing something so successfully that none of us with all our European wisdom were ever able to accomplish. They are not perfect but they are still far and away better and more capable than anyone else.
Christy Christy:
I used to date an American airman and he and his mates never lorded over anyone about anything. When they were on about the Yugoslavia thing they were just about doing their jobs and never made on about it.
I think a lot of people see Americans as selfish but then they never see that when bad things happen its always the Americans who show up to help and they even help their enemies. American charities send more medicines to Africa than Europe does and that is a shameful thing here since Africa really is our responsibility since it was Europeans who ruined it with the colonization and imperialism.
Americans gave more to the tsunami victims than anyone else. They did more in the last sixty years to help keep world peace than anyone else. Everyone goes on about the Americans in Iraq but what about the French who are fighting six wars in Africa right now? The French are killing more Africans right now than all of the people dying in Iraq and it just gets a little mention even on Sky News (its like your Fox) which you expect to not like the French anyways. The BBC doesn't even talk about Ivory Coast and Senegal and all the wars down there the French are fighting and they are absolutely fighting them over oil.
Americans consider it in their self-interest to prevent big wars from breaking out. Big wars like what Europe is always responsible for. If they fight little wars to prevent big wars then that makes sense. Imagine if Europe had been sensible and fought little wars to stop Franco, Hitler, and Mussolini? Then Stalin never would have had a reason to invade Europe like he did.
Everyone blames Americans for EVERYTHING.
I say they have done a better job of keeping world peace than Europe ever did because ever since they took responsibility for world peace there have been no more major wars. Before they came along to be the global constabulary there was a major war in the world every thirty years or so. Now we have peace and it is Europe that has benefitted the most because without the expensive wars to pay for we can afford health and arts and all sorts of wonderful things that peace affords.
Americans pay to keep the peace, they die to keep the peace, and we curse them as thanks for doing something so successfully that none of us with all our European wisdom were ever able to accomplish. They are not perfect but they are still far and away better and more capable than anyone else.
She's British, 26 years old, and has GOT to be related to Margaret Thatcher!
Thank you for the eloquent comments, Christy!