USA distancing itself from Canada
Wullu @ Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:03 pm
truecdneh truecdneh:
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
truecdneh truecdneh:
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
I don't think the analogy you are presenting is comparable to the effect. The "retarded" cousin comment was made by an idiotic journalist in a bowtie, the "American bastards" comment was made by a member of the Canadian government.
The point is IMO, sadly I should emphasize, is that all the negative comments and feelings up north are finally making its way into the average American household.
I agree.. Without a doubt.. but lets not forget that with the comments finally making it to the average household in the US,
the average household in Canada that has been saturated with it for years is finally beginning to feel equalized.If you would please elaborate on this as I am not following you.
Are you serious? sorry.. I thought this was going to be different from the status quo..
Why can he not be serious? He asked you to elaborate. I don't take offence from people I don't know and that includes pundits on both sides of the border. And are you saying that since an American idiot makes a moronic comment ( not you Yank

) that it is only fair we unleash our own morons?
Scape Scape:
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
I don't think the analogy you are presenting is comparable to the effect. The "retarded" cousin comment was made by an idiotic journalist in a bowtie, the "American bastards" comment was made by a member of the Canadian government.
So the fact Bush didn't even visit Canada till his 2nd term was just an issue of bad scheduling? Every other president before him made Canada the 1st foreign visit as a 'warm up' to talk about issues important to them and not maple syrup! Now the only WH spokesperson we have seen is Rice and when she goes abroad and trying to sell the 'we don't torture' bit can you understand how stupid that makes the US look? OF COURSE the US tortures and has done so for years so why bother saying otherwise? Is not lapping up this white lie yet another example of rabid anti-Americanism or credible skepticism?
The US has no one that can supply what the US really needs and fast, energy. So the average US citizen not doing business in Canada is unfortunate but ultimately it's a sideshow.
It was probably an issue of a Canadian goverment official endorsing Gore over Bush before the elections. Childish, but thats politics. Let's not get way too off track here scape. I'm not going to tackle issues of torture and what the US needs that Canada has.
The point I am trying to bring up goes beyond politics, I think what the article is implying, is that the average US household is becoming more aware of the vocal left wing minority in Canada and its anti-American rant. This isn't anything new of course, but lately it has become more and more noticed south of the 49th.
If it were strictly politicians behaving badly, I don't think it would be an issue, I think it goes a little more beyond that lately, as far as we are concerned anyway.
Scape @ Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:20 pm
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
It was probably an issue of a Canadian goverment official endorsing Gore over Bush before the elections. Childish, but thats politics. Let's not get way too off track here scape. I'm not going to tackle issues of torture and what the US needs that Canada has.
I suspect it was more than just popular to bash Canada in the Bush admin and childish or not it had an effect. Example: Paul Cellucci
Rice was the only visit of substance as his visit was pre-ordained so it is Bush mixing poltics with economics not the people in Canada who vote for parties that are not in bed with the US.
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
If it were strictly politicians behaving badly, I don't think it would be an issue, I think it goes a little more beyond that lately, as far as we are concerned anyway.
Fiddle-faddle. It's posturing and Bush is and always has been playing to his base. Bush needs our energy but not our votes. So bashing Canada has been his pass time for his entire presidency, you say a lie loud enough and long enough people start to belive you.
DerbyX @ Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:22 pm
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It was probably an issue of a Canadian goverment official endorsing Gore over Bush before the elections. Childish, but thats politics. Let's not get way too off track here scape. I'm not going to tackle issues of torture and what the US needs that Canada has.
An endorsement not held by PM chretein and extremely understandable considering that the best CAN/US relations were under Clinton and I will point out was a vastly insufficient reason for our treatment by bush.
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The point I am trying to bring up goes beyond politics, I think what the article is implying, is that the average US household is becoming more aware of the vocal left wing minority in Canada and its anti-American rant. This isn't anything new of course, but lately it has become more and more noticed south of the 49th.
Your media only ever reports on Canada when it says stuff like that because it sells. The average US household knows nothing about us and if they base their opinion on a few US media reports then it does speak volumes but not about us.
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If it were strictly politicians behaving badly, I don't think it would be an issue, I think it goes a little more beyond that lately, as far as we are concerned anyway.
Really? Did it hinder our efforts to help in the wake of katrina? Have we pulled our troops from afganistan? Please explain where we are failing to support the US. Now lts discuss the continued US stance on softwood where they lose virtually every single ruling. The truth is that if Canada were any where near as anti-American as some of you think then there would actually be something for the US to cry about.
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
...If it were strictly politicians behaving badly, I don't think it would be an issue, I think it goes a little more beyond that lately, as far as we are concerned anyway.
It means the cultural isolation of Canada will likely increase in the coming years.
If Canadian society is in danger of being ignored by the United States in the past, it will only happen more so in the future.
Hip, hip, ...
oh, fudge.
and let's not forget the softwood lumber!
how many times does the US have to loose before it adhere's to the law?
DerbyX DerbyX:
An endorsement not held by PM chretein and extremely understandable considering that the best CAN/US relations were under Clinton and I will point out was a vastly insufficient reason for our treatment by bush.
Your response represents a total lack of knowledge of how politics work. Once again, childish, but thats the way it is.
DerbyX DerbyX:
Your media only ever reports on Canada when it says stuff like that because it sells. The average US household knows nothing about us and if they base their opinion on a few US media reports then it does speak volumes but not about us.
Actually media reports of such seem to do alot better up there than down here. And you're right the average American doesn't know much about Canada, but as I stated they are becoming increasingly aware of the vocal minority.
DerbyX DerbyX:
Really? Did it hinder our efforts to help in the wake of katrina? Have we pulled our troops from afganistan? Please explain where we are failing to support the US. Now lts discuss the continued US stance on softwood where they lose virtually every single ruling. The truth is that if Canada were any where near as anti-American as some of you think then there would actually be something for the US to cry about.
Canada was born from anti-Americanism, thankfully it has deteriorated to the fringe left (what I call the vocal minority). How about we discuss thousands of other products crossing our border each and every day instead of softwood lumber? Or do you only see the glass half empty?
USA distancing itself from Canada
It'll never happen....politics will always ruin any good friendship. Each country relies on each other.
DerbyX @ Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:42 pm
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Your response represents a total lack of knowledge of how politics work. Once again, childish, but thats the way it is.
WOW, wrong. Go back and re-read my post and then present a report as to why you are incorrect.
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Actually media reports of such seem to do alot better up there than down here. And you're right the average American doesn't know much about Canada, but as I stated they are becoming increasingly aware of the vocal minority.
Wrong again. We get far more of your media then you do ours. US relations/events/etc make up a major portion of our news while ours makes up at most a token part of yours. Many US poster on this forum tell us that the majority of Americans simply do not think about us and so when someone says anything bad about the US and it gets top billing.
I am curious.
Did this get any press?$1:
Canada was born from anti-Americanism, thankfully it has deteriorated to the fringe left (what I call the vocal minority). How about we discuss thousands of other products crossing our border each and every day instead of softwood lumber? Or do you only see the glass half empty?
A comment so disgustingly ignorant. While many british loyalists did indeed flee to Canada our nation was already a fledgeling country in infancy. Since the US didn't really exist back then you can't call us "anti-American" in reference to that time period.
DerbyX DerbyX:
WOW, wrong. Go back and re-read my post and then present a report as to why you are incorrect.
No I'm not wrong DerbyX, Chretien didn't endorse it but he made no effort to claim that person (I forget who it was) does not speak for the Canadian government, that is easily perceived as being agreeable with the comment, thats how politics are.
DerbyX DerbyX:
Wrong again. We get far more of your media then you do ours. US relations/events/etc make up a major portion of our news while ours makes up at most a token part of yours. Many US poster on this forum tell us that the majority of Americans simply do not think about us and so when someone says anything bad about the US and it gets top billing.
Actually we almost get none of your media to my knowledge, that's all we need to mend relations, having the CBC and their Fifth Estate claim 9/11 was an inside job. And many posters would be correct, about mainstream America that is, my particular situation is different, I am in charge of a non-proft organization that helps Canadian and American students for undergraduate studies, so most of my information about Canada (when I'm not travelling there) comes from the horses mouth so to speak, Canadians.
No press, it was in the news.
DerbyX DerbyX:
A comment so disgustingly ignorant. While many british loyalists did indeed flee to Canada our nation was already a fledgeling country in infancy. Since the US didn't really exist back then you can't call us "anti-American" in reference to that time period.
Oh ya, but I can, and I will, since you were a British colony at the time and the Brits had no love for the US for at least 100 years and then some, even your own Prime Minister used the US as a "bad experiment" on his election platform.
DerbyX @ Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:22 pm
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No I'm not wrong DerbyX, Chretien didn't endorse it but he made no effort to claim that person (I forget who it was) does not speak for the Canadian government, that is easily perceived as being agreeable with the comment, thats how politics are.
Now go back and look for the qualifying comment at the end of my quote and respond to that.
BTW, the US has spent the last 50+ years interfering/influencing/forcing the gov't of others then you can't possibly get bent out of shape over perceived non-support of a single US presidential candidate.
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Actually we almost get none of your media to my knowledge, that's all we need to mend relations, having the CBC and their Fifth Estate claim 9/11 was an inside job.
Pardon me? Got any links showing this? That shit all comes from your own home grown conspiracy nuts. Since you brought it up, care to comment about the lies you pesident told in order to link iraq to 9/11 when the links were all to saudi arabia, your buddy?
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I am in charge of a non-proft organization that helps Canadian and American students for undergraduate studies,
Where were you when I was an undergrad? J/K. Good for you.
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No press, it was in the news.
Press is the news. No offense but I doubt it got any real copy and was probably dismissed out of habd by the vast majority of US citizens if they ever heard it.
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Oh ya, but I can, and I will, since you were a British colony at the time and the Brits had no love for the US for at least 100 years and then some, even your own Prime Minister used the US as a "bad experiment" on his election platform.
You were a british colony also. Regardless, it was you who invaded us in 1812 and not vice-versa. It may also interets you to know that Canada had US invasion plans in the 1920's and the US had invasion plans in the 1930's.
I might also suggest you reseach the first US broken arrow. That was an invasion of Canada if I ever heard one and if the situation were reversed you know damn well you would not look at it favourably. Hint: atomic bombs & crashed in BC.
There are many countries that are interetsed in our goods, but we deal with the US because they are "right there" we can deal with othrs if need be but it would mean shipping more over seas by ship than just down interstate 15 by truck...
IcedCap @ Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:46 pm
Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:
the "American bastards" comment was made by a member of the Canadian government.
Er no it wasn't Carolyn Parrish was never a minister
As much as it may pain some of you to realise it, Canada and America need each other. Forget what that bozo from Fox tells you or what really nationalistic Canadians will tell you, we need each other. But, Canada is in the right on these recent trade issues, and we have more than enough right to make our own decisions without America whispering in our ear. This goes for Canada as well. Who are we to tell Americans what to do in their own country? They (and us) are more than capable of making intelligent decisions, although recently, that doesn't appear to be happening........
DerbyX DerbyX:
You were a british colony also. Regardless, it was you who invaded us in 1812 and not vice-versa. It may also interets you to know that Canada had US invasion plans in the 1920's and the US had invasion plans in the 1930's.
I'd to see where you found this info......

please send a link.