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WMD's not the only reason for war

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BigDubUSA @ Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:03 pm

:D

   



Twila @ Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:07 pm

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We didn't forget anything Adam, and Sadaam was never our friend!


And yet The National Security Archive states different.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

from the article
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The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan


Now I'm going to try and find the link to the transcripts of Ambassador April Gillespies talk with Saddam and the official Ok from the US to invade Kuwait. Unless somebody else has it handy.......

   



Robair @ Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:22 pm

No Twila, don't have it handy. I'm sure there is only one poster here that has never read it though:

BigDubUSA BigDubUSA:
If it is in fact (and proven) that ANY presidential administration intended to use chemicals (bunker busters) and intentionally harm our men or even Iraqi's, than you can guarantee that there will be outrage here in the U.S.

Outrage here:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1897

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/11/280688.html

http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release.cfm?newsID=381

http://www.legitgov.org/action.html

http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000144.php

http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=2476

http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2 ... index.html

http://www.internationalanswer.org/news ... shrpt.html

I believe Bush holds the record for the most people protesting him worldwide.

Hey BigDub, how much proof do you need? a signed confession?

   



Rev_Blair @ Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:08 pm

That's the thing BigDub...the evidence is all around. Nuclear bunker-busters aren't chemical weapons, they are nuclear bombs. There is no doubt that your military uses depleted uranium weapons. There is no doubt that your government backed Saddam, helped him to become the monster he was.

I can provide you with hundreds of links. Some by Americans, some by groups like Human Rights Watch, some by investigative reporters, some by scientists. So can most people here. If you will not read them, will not even consider the implications of those stories, then you are being unreasonable.

   



BigDubUSA @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:54 am

First of all, before I even click on any of the links...Look at the names of them: "Unitedforpeace." (Obviously anti-war/anti-bush) and will have a slight slant with opinion vs. fact.
(Now that I have read the article from the listed link) No wonder you hate America so much! You choose to follow one-sided news reports! If an outlet hates the Bush Admin/America so much, then they are only going to report a biased opinion, and try to use whatever facts they can, to undermine this country. Duh! The whole world knows that we stockpile weapons! We have the most in the world! Did that article happen to say that we are disarming (destroying) over 2,000 a year, along with Russia? Nope! Did you even bother to ask yourself that question? God I'm tired of repeating myself about independent/objective thinking! You guys ever think about getting offline, and go down to the local market, and actually buy a newspaper? Or turn OFF CNN. They definitely hate the Bush Admin! Man, I'm not justifying George W. (actually quite disappointed with him) But until they can actually prove he ordered nukes to be dropped...Shut up about it! You can list thousands of articles (unbalanced ones) and I can list thousands to counter with! But I'm not going to list bullshit articles from: Awakened women, United for peace, Bush Greenwatch. That's like me saying "Here, read this article about Canada, from Ihatecanada.com" Give me a break man!
You people need "checks & balances" in your country! Not what Canada wants you to KNOW ONLY! All of your other arguments are from Liberal sources! Who hate everybody if their not Liberal! I'm not Conservative (just to throw that out) I actually used to be quite Liberal when I was younger, but started paying taxes. Started watching and reading more news, and analyzed how it was being reported, ask more questions, etc. Samething that I'm telling some of you. Get a good balanced source, pay attention to the facts, and make up your own mind. But not like this: "Hey BigDub, what do you think about America?" "Oh I love it, we're the best country in the world!"... "well you heard it folks, America is the best in the world!" See my point? Do I represent majority of Americans?
Most of the sources I've seen on this sight are just like that, and you Canadians call it "a frame of reference." (Not ALL of you but a lot)

   



Twila @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:00 am

Well you can't be talking about my link. Did you even look at it though?

There is alot of info there. It's all declassified info from your gov't.

   



Robair @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:04 am

Those weren't links showing nuclear evidence, dumbass. They were links showing demonstrations. Outrage in other words. Note how I typed "outrage here" before the links? Notice the line of yours I quoted? There is a thread on here titled "Radioactive Afghanistan". If you want to discuss the validity of the nuclear weapons claims, go there.

Back to the original point of this thread WMD not the only reason. NO SHIT. As a matter of fact, they were not the reason at all. Oil was the only reason. WMD was an excuse. Just like terrorism and bringing Sadam to justice were excuses. None of them valid reasons.

   



BigDubUSA @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:28 am

Well this whole thread was about evidence, not demonstrations or biased opinions. You keep missing the whole point Rob! This is how you people come to conclusions: When challenged, you call people "dumbass" and spin in so many directions, not sticking to the main subject. No wonder some of you are so angry and confused!
And just to reiterate the fact: WMD's were not the only reason. You can say, "oil" but not for American/Bush interest only. Iraq is the 4th largest oil producing country in the world, we had to protect the oil fields so that the Iraqi's/terrorists would not burn them (like they did in the first War), thus still being able to produce for the many countries who have investment, and depend on Iraqi oil. Do you really believe that Bush/America is hoarding all of it? No matter how you want to spin it, oil is huge money worldwide! And America is not the only country who has interest in Iraqi oil. If you knew anything about the oil industry, you would know that it is very powerful worldwide, and govt.'s (worldwide) make everyone dependent on it! And every political power has investment in this, which is why govts. are so rich and corrupt. NOT JUST AMERICA. Canada is just as guilty, but your govt. would never tell you... You guys would flip out if you knew the truth!

   



Robair @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:45 am

BigDubUSA BigDubUSA:
we had to protect the oil fields so that the Iraqi's/terrorists would not burn them
? You mean the terrorists that flooded into Iraq after the US invasion??? Why would Iraqi's burn their number one export? They only burnt them so the Americans couldn't get ahold of them, correct? So your reason for going to war is now to protect the oil wells that would be burnt if you went to war? I think I'm wasting my time here.
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Canada is just as guilty, but your govt. would never tell you... You guys would flip out if you knew the truth!
Yea, we export oil. Mostly to the United States. Got all we need for now thanks.

   



BigDubUSA @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:44 am

Robair Robair:
So your reason for going to war is now to protect the oil wells that would be burnt if you went to war? I think I'm wasting my time here.
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Oh YES indeed Rob! You are waisting your time in here! Wasting time and energy on things you know absolutely nothing about! Thanks for proving my point about Canadians and their comprehension! I also love the way you know absolutely nothing about context! I do not know of one person who ever said protecting the oil was America's reasoning for going to war. Please enlighten me... Maybe you have some links to implicate that. In your own little world (somewhere in Canada) you claim to have supreme knowledge and proof that we went to war for "ONLY OIL"
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Oil was the only reason.
And if you've read anything in here, I never said "our reasoning for going to war is to protect the oil wells." I was pointing that out. (Comprehension/context) Re-read the post, smart pants!

   



Robair @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:57 am

Alright Bub, lets just say I missunderstood you. So tell me straight out; what were the Bush administrations reasons for going to war? Kindly list them all to avoid further confusion.

Enlighten me, apparently I'm an idiot.

   



BigDubUSA @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:40 pm

Robair Robair:
Alright Bub, lets just say I missunderstood you. So tell me straight out; what were the Bush administrations reasons for going to war? Kindly list them all to avoid further confusion.

Enlighten me, apparently I'm an idiot.


Two most powerful people in Europe during WWII: Hitler and the Propaganda Minister (or machine)
Is Canada, some of Europe and Mid. East today's "Propaganda Machine"?
If you do not already know the exact reasons for invading Iraq, and I have to explain to you what the majority of the world already knows, then you do not belong in ANY POLITICS thread! Lets see... The 9/11 Commission Report just came out last week (or did you know) and clearly explains the reasoning for war with Iraq. Not only does it back up what the Bush Admin.'s intentions were but clearly indicates that there was failure with intelligence (not just the CIA) Read it...very interesting...may also answer a lot of other questions that you were wrong about. (Note: the 9/11 Commission had a lot of "Bush Haters" on the committee yet were unbiased when reporting, and temporarily shut up the Propagandists i.e "Michaels Moore's")
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BigDubUSA @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:49 pm

My avatar is an actual picture (my daughter & I; please no cheap shots). It would be cool to see some of you (sincerely) and put faces with the people we engage debate with.

   



Robair @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:20 pm

BigDubUSA BigDubUSA:
Is Canada, some of Europe and Mid. East today's "Propaganda Machine"?
Yes, every country on earth is contributing to one massive propaganda machine. The one lone beacon of truth is Fox News.
BigDubUSA BigDubUSA:
If you do not already know the exact reasons for invading Iraq, and I have to explain to you what the majority of the world already knows, then you do not belong in ANY POLITICS thread! Lets see... The 9/11 Commission Report just came out last week (or did you know) and clearly explains the reasoning for war with Iraq. Not only does it back up what the Bush Admin.'s intentions were but clearly indicates that there was failure with intelligence.
The 9/11 commission would not report on failed weapons of mass destruction intelligence because it was 'beyond the scope of what they were commissioned to investigate'. It did, however, find no ties between 9/11 and Iraq. Something the rest of the world already knew.

Any reason given by the administration for invading Iraq is false, which is probably why you won't list them. Won't take me long to discredit each and every one.

Your country is at war. War is seriouse. Should be real easy to explain why your president chose to wage war don't you think?

   



BigDubUSA @ Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:35 pm

After 9/11 Bush addressed the nation (and world) and clearly stated a list of countries in which most of the world considers an "Axis of evil." Iraq, Iran, Syria, (most of the Mid. East) N. Korea, etc. (If you dispute this, reflect back on all of your references the past 20 years to see who has been conducting most of the terrorism worldwide) ARAB! (Of middle eastern decent) Bush claimed that ALL countries who harbor, support and sympathize with terrorists would be exposed and dealt with. Iraq was at the top of the list! Now in that 9/11 report it clearly states that (based on world intelligence) Iraq was supporting AND harboring known terrorists! (But that's not the only reason)
1.) The whole world knew Iraq had WMD's. Have we found them? No. But you try finding missiles, caches, etc. in a place as big as California. (It takes time)
2.) Iraq had been in breach of UN Resolution 1441 (Clearly states since the first Gulf War, any breach of this would result in military action) The world is just mad because the U.S. did it when the UN wanted to ignore!
3.) Oil for Food Program- Iraq would be allowed to profit from oil sells, but give the money to the people of Iraq. Never happened! (Now look... Scandal is about to expose corrupt UN leaders and countries) No wonder all of these opposing countries want to make Bush look bad....Afraid of being exposed (It will happen soon though)
4.) "No Fly Zone" How many times are we going to have our aircraft shot at without retaliating?
5.) UN inspectors: Yeah, that did a lot of good! Sadaam kept booting them out the last two years of the Clinton Admin. (Could there have been a corrupt scandal or payoff?)

Now right before the war started, Bush again, addressed the nation (world) and gave reasons for invading Iraq. All of them I have listed and probably missing a few more. Never once did I think (And a lot of other people/countries) that we were going to war based solely on Iraq having WMD's (period) I admit, I am disappointed that we have not found them yet.
Propaganda turned this into "The U.S. is going to war based on WMD's and that 9/11 was Iraq's fault." BULLSH*T! That's the spin!
Honestly, I could care less about the 5 things I listed. We all knew Sadaam needed to be ousted. We should have assassinated him! But then you'd all still be bitchin! We should've also leveled the Mid. East! Do you see Americans going to other countries to start terror cells? What about "beheadings"? Man, I hate some of our politicians but I would never murder one because I feel strongly about my beliefs! It's called, "Knowing the difference between Right & Wrong" Quit trying to justify "terrorism" and quit "unjustifying" our war effort. Look at the U.S. as going over there and making a valiant effort for Middle Eastern peace, in which no other country has ever tried to accomplish. The Soviets couldn't do it in 10 years, what we have already accomplished in 2 (And we're in two different countries)! And we're not trying to "Occupy." Trust me, our servicemen want to complete the mission but don't want to be over there any longer than they have to! We're spoiled here in America, and love our country! Of all of the good things we are accomplishing over there, you still want to find one (1) thing to bitch about! And then break into tangents, trying to pick the effort apart. Nag like women! "The U.S. isn't sensitive enough." "Where are the WMD's? We want them now."Lets try to understand evil dictators and terrorists." "America is an imperialistic nation." Whaah, whaah, whaah...Shut the f*ck up!

   



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