No Twila, don't have it handy. I'm sure there is only one poster here that has never read it though:
That's the thing BigDub...the evidence is all around. Nuclear bunker-busters aren't chemical weapons, they are nuclear bombs. There is no doubt that your military uses depleted uranium weapons. There is no doubt that your government backed Saddam, helped him to become the monster he was.
I can provide you with hundreds of links. Some by Americans, some by groups like Human Rights Watch, some by investigative reporters, some by scientists. So can most people here. If you will not read them, will not even consider the implications of those stories, then you are being unreasonable.
First of all, before I even click on any of the links...Look at the names of them: "Unitedforpeace." (Obviously anti-war/anti-bush) and will have a slight slant with opinion vs. fact.
(Now that I have read the article from the listed link) No wonder you hate America so much! You choose to follow one-sided news reports! If an outlet hates the Bush Admin/America so much, then they are only going to report a biased opinion, and try to use whatever facts they can, to undermine this country. Duh! The whole world knows that we stockpile weapons! We have the most in the world! Did that article happen to say that we are disarming (destroying) over 2,000 a year, along with Russia? Nope! Did you even bother to ask yourself that question? God I'm tired of repeating myself about independent/objective thinking! You guys ever think about getting offline, and go down to the local market, and actually buy a newspaper? Or turn OFF CNN. They definitely hate the Bush Admin! Man, I'm not justifying George W. (actually quite disappointed with him) But until they can actually prove he ordered nukes to be dropped...Shut up about it! You can list thousands of articles (unbalanced ones) and I can list thousands to counter with! But I'm not going to list bullshit articles from: Awakened women, United for peace, Bush Greenwatch. That's like me saying "Here, read this article about Canada, from Ihatecanada.com" Give me a break man!
You people need "checks & balances" in your country! Not what Canada wants you to KNOW ONLY! All of your other arguments are from Liberal sources! Who hate everybody if their not Liberal! I'm not Conservative (just to throw that out) I actually used to be quite Liberal when I was younger, but started paying taxes. Started watching and reading more news, and analyzed how it was being reported, ask more questions, etc. Samething that I'm telling some of you. Get a good balanced source, pay attention to the facts, and make up your own mind. But not like this: "Hey BigDub, what do you think about America?" "Oh I love it, we're the best country in the world!"... "well you heard it folks, America is the best in the world!" See my point? Do I represent majority of Americans?
Most of the sources I've seen on this sight are just like that, and you Canadians call it "a frame of reference." (Not ALL of you but a lot)
Well you can't be talking about my link. Did you even look at it though?
There is alot of info there. It's all declassified info from your gov't.
Those weren't links showing nuclear evidence, dumbass. They were links showing demonstrations. Outrage in other words. Note how I typed "outrage here" before the links? Notice the line of yours I quoted? There is a thread on here titled "Radioactive Afghanistan". If you want to discuss the validity of the nuclear weapons claims, go there.
Back to the original point of this thread WMD not the only reason. NO SHIT. As a matter of fact, they were not the reason at all. Oil was the only reason. WMD was an excuse. Just like terrorism and bringing Sadam to justice were excuses. None of them valid reasons.
Well this whole thread was about evidence, not demonstrations or biased opinions. You keep missing the whole point Rob! This is how you people come to conclusions: When challenged, you call people "dumbass" and spin in so many directions, not sticking to the main subject. No wonder some of you are so angry and confused!
And just to reiterate the fact: WMD's were not the only reason. You can say, "oil" but not for American/Bush interest only. Iraq is the 4th largest oil producing country in the world, we had to protect the oil fields so that the Iraqi's/terrorists would not burn them (like they did in the first War), thus still being able to produce for the many countries who have investment, and depend on Iraqi oil. Do you really believe that Bush/America is hoarding all of it? No matter how you want to spin it, oil is huge money worldwide! And America is not the only country who has interest in Iraqi oil. If you knew anything about the oil industry, you would know that it is very powerful worldwide, and govt.'s (worldwide) make everyone dependent on it! And every political power has investment in this, which is why govts. are so rich and corrupt. NOT JUST AMERICA. Canada is just as guilty, but your govt. would never tell you... You guys would flip out if you knew the truth!
Alright Bub, lets just say I missunderstood you. So tell me straight out; what were the Bush administrations reasons for going to war? Kindly list them all to avoid further confusion.
Enlighten me, apparently I'm an idiot.
My avatar is an actual picture (my daughter & I; please no cheap shots). It would be cool to see some of you (sincerely) and put faces with the people we engage debate with.
After 9/11 Bush addressed the nation (and world) and clearly stated a list of countries in which most of the world considers an "Axis of evil." Iraq, Iran, Syria, (most of the Mid. East) N. Korea, etc. (If you dispute this, reflect back on all of your references the past 20 years to see who has been conducting most of the terrorism worldwide) ARAB! (Of middle eastern decent) Bush claimed that ALL countries who harbor, support and sympathize with terrorists would be exposed and dealt with. Iraq was at the top of the list! Now in that 9/11 report it clearly states that (based on world intelligence) Iraq was supporting AND harboring known terrorists! (But that's not the only reason)
1.) The whole world knew Iraq had WMD's. Have we found them? No. But you try finding missiles, caches, etc. in a place as big as California. (It takes time)
2.) Iraq had been in breach of UN Resolution 1441 (Clearly states since the first Gulf War, any breach of this would result in military action) The world is just mad because the U.S. did it when the UN wanted to ignore!
3.) Oil for Food Program- Iraq would be allowed to profit from oil sells, but give the money to the people of Iraq. Never happened! (Now look... Scandal is about to expose corrupt UN leaders and countries) No wonder all of these opposing countries want to make Bush look bad....Afraid of being exposed (It will happen soon though)
4.) "No Fly Zone" How many times are we going to have our aircraft shot at without retaliating?
5.) UN inspectors: Yeah, that did a lot of good! Sadaam kept booting them out the last two years of the Clinton Admin. (Could there have been a corrupt scandal or payoff?)
Now right before the war started, Bush again, addressed the nation (world) and gave reasons for invading Iraq. All of them I have listed and probably missing a few more. Never once did I think (And a lot of other people/countries) that we were going to war based solely on Iraq having WMD's (period) I admit, I am disappointed that we have not found them yet.
Propaganda turned this into "The U.S. is going to war based on WMD's and that 9/11 was Iraq's fault." BULLSH*T! That's the spin!
Honestly, I could care less about the 5 things I listed. We all knew Sadaam needed to be ousted. We should have assassinated him! But then you'd all still be bitchin! We should've also leveled the Mid. East! Do you see Americans going to other countries to start terror cells? What about "beheadings"? Man, I hate some of our politicians but I would never murder one because I feel strongly about my beliefs! It's called, "Knowing the difference between Right & Wrong" Quit trying to justify "terrorism" and quit "unjustifying" our war effort. Look at the U.S. as going over there and making a valiant effort for Middle Eastern peace, in which no other country has ever tried to accomplish. The Soviets couldn't do it in 10 years, what we have already accomplished in 2 (And we're in two different countries)! And we're not trying to "Occupy." Trust me, our servicemen want to complete the mission but don't want to be over there any longer than they have to! We're spoiled here in America, and love our country! Of all of the good things we are accomplishing over there, you still want to find one (1) thing to bitch about! And then break into tangents, trying to pick the effort apart. Nag like women! "The U.S. isn't sensitive enough." "Where are the WMD's? We want them now."Lets try to understand evil dictators and terrorists." "America is an imperialistic nation." Whaah, whaah, whaah...Shut the f*ck up!