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Time to take some of you kids to school again...
Can any of you say, "UN RESOLUTION?" Many of you seem to think that you know everything, and again have proven my point that Canadians (and other countries) are so misguided and misinformed! QUIT WATCHING MICHAEL MOORE FLICKS AND READ A NEWSPAPER ONCE IN A WHILE! We did not go to war merely based on Iraq having WMD's! So shut up about it! That was part of it, and was based on world intelligence (Not just the CIA)
Iraq was in violation of UN Resolution 1441. Read about it! Will not waste my time on something you should have already known before opening up your mouths! Basically the U.S. and majority of Americans were just plain tired of telling Iraq "knock it off!" After 9/11 Pres. Bush declared countries who support terrorism will be exposed and held accountable. Iraq just happened to be at the top of the list. Well, us Yankees were tired of seeing a weak UN who backed up nothing (Sort of like a parent who cannot control their child) and decided a little discipline was needed (hence the removal of the Iraqi Army and Sadaam Hussein!) We just liberated a country who was under a brutal, torturous, suffering regime! (Just like most of the Mid East) We're taking some hits, but that is the price of LEADERSHIP! And we (Americans) want peace and are willing to sacrifice. If any of you have ever read Middle Eastern History, you would understand that the world, wants nothing to do with this territory! Oil, Yes but conquer or occupy? NO! The Mid-East is still living in the 14th century, like savages, and the world (for the most part) has left them alone. But when 19 middle eastern hijackers fly planes into our buildings, you're dam right we're going to respond! Iraq, Iran, Syria, Pakistan... just stay under the rocks you live in! And I will say again... We do not need anyone's approval to defend ourselves! You want to bitch about the U.S. having nuclear weapons? When was the last time we used or threatened any country with them? Japan, we used...Now they are our best ally! We have our weapons to ensure that no other country uses them. Bottom line: "Fuck with the bull, you get the horns!"

   

The UN told you not to invade, so any claim to be enforcing one of their resolutions is questionable at best. It's like acting as as a vigilante, then when criticised for it saying that you knew the cops wanted your help even though they said they didn't.

WMD...the UN weapons inspectors said there weren't any to speak of. All of the nukes experts said that Iraq did not have the capability or the materials. You sent Colin Powell to the UN with cartoon drawings of trucks and the world laughed at you.

Nobody wanted Saddam's rule to continue. he was put in power and he was helped to solidify that power by the US. When it became clear that the sanctions weren't working, were doing more harm than good, and various human rights groups spoke out trying to get the sanctions changed, the US used its power in the UN (along with Britain, France, and the USSR) to continue the sanctions that were already in place without changes.

Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11. Your intelliegence agencies said that, intelligence agencies around the world said that, al Qaeda said that, and Saddam said that.

It's grow-up time, my little American buddy. If Tony Blair can stand up and take responsibility, then so can George Bush. If George Bush is not enough of a man to do that, then your defense of him is even more laughable.

   

And how many UN violations did the Bush administration have?
Based on your post ... I'm greatful you don't have time to waste.

The rest of your post is no different than any of the other forum rhetoric splashed all over the internet.



Yes Japan is a good example ..... the attack was against civilian targets wasn't it? You know ... cities, women and children, elderly ... I know, I know ... it's all just collateral damage.

Bottom line ... we need to accept what happened and begin change to make it better. Pointing fingers at your nation or at my nation accomplishes nothing. It only drags out the ongoing division between our two countries. You gotta get over the fact that many Canadians can and will defy your government's actions.

   

Just to answer an international point of view... and the reason I am saying this is because: I actually read the French, British, Canadian French and English papers, Along with CNN. First... the WMD is the MAIN point bush and Blair pushed... they mentioned violations to human rights but the Headlines and MAIN push was about the WMD. As of the declaring war on those countries that support terrorism, well Iraq was not one of them. No Al-Qaida ties, nothing. And for your thinking that the middle east countries are still in the 14th century. Just do some research on the city of Dubai? Just to name one. As of the 9/11 terrorists themselves... the big majority of them were Saudi Arabians. FYI, the day of the attack, the bin-laden family was in New York and were allowed to fly home while the airspace was in the process of being lock down. Here is a good reading for you...CBC

Now I will agree with you that the UN is very reluctant to act in almost all international crises. But Iraq was not a crisis... Just a country running itself like many others. Where were you when General Romeo D’allaire asked for help during the Rwanda Genocide? Both French and American had troops to be able to stop it. And yet Iraq was on top of the list after Afghanistan. Funny eh... Please read the above CBC link. En-lighting
And yaaaa... Bush is BULLying in order to get that Oil that he wants. Buying oil at the highest price ever, just to refill his "war reserve" of 700 millions of barrels. I smell a conspiracy. And now he wants to have seven aircraft carrier (and the usual escorts) to do exercises on the coast of China, along with the Taiwanese navy. The biggest concentration of aircraft carriers ever. You have NOOOooooo idea what this intimidation is all about... You don't have a sweet clue how close to a war you really are. And good luck.

Don't forget to check that CBC link...

   

Read this, the whole thing:

http://www.awakenedwoman.com/umrc.htm

   

Ya know, you talk about American Leadership in the world. Your country of 300 million or so in a world of 6+ billion people. Who asked for your leadership? Or are you just imposing it on everyone? I don't think they call that leadership, thats more like dictatorship. Most of the "terrorists" as you call them, are really only pissed at your nation, ask yourself why? and don't say their jealous, cause thats not it.

   

Who asked for American leadership!

The whole world america help this america help that!


QBC your post needed to be replied to mainly because the whole world ask for American leaders...........No one has the power that we have postition the power in many different ways!

   

I reluctantly agree with Dub on the fact that the UN has lost its guts. It has become all bark and no bite. Way too much discussion and not enough action. When it takes months or even years to act on a matter, the urgency is lost. However, Bush Sr. should have removed Saddam in the first war. Junior was only following his fathers footsteps and avenging his failure. Kudos to him for actually getting the guy but the whole buildup of lies prior to the war was illegal at worst.

   

QBC....LOL


So there just targeting America???

So what you call the Spain Bombings

Abu Sayaf in the Phillipines

Isreal...etc,etc, Its Not Just America............Its the west as a whole!

   

I cannot believe that you would submit an article from: Awakened Woman e-Magazine, and use it as a frame of reference. It makes a sad novel, but newsworthy? NO! A few questions...
(1.) Was the author, "Stephanie Hiller" actually in Afghanistan?
No she was not. If this truly was the case, why is it not being followed up Internationally and in the media? I know our own Liberals would be jumping on it!
(2.) Did she bother to interview any U.S. military personnel on the scene? This would be a key point as the buildings bombed could have been hiding al Qaida/Taliban members. It's unfortunate that innocent people died, but if they were supporting or harboring key figures, you pay the ultimate price!
(3.) I don't care if she thinks uranium was in the bombs or not. If you're near any kind of explosion like that, and breath, your nostrils and throat are going to burn!
(4.) They "thought" and had a theory that uranium could be in the coalition bombs, but have yet to prove.

Nice try ROBAIR, but this once again proves my point that YOU CANADIANS are not getting a balanced, objective source of information. Try analyzing what you read, and ask yourself basic questions. I could name several other flaws in that article, but would be wasting my time with a senseless BLOG. Think about it!

   

Spain WAS in Iraq... This explains the bombs.
The Philippines... I'll have to read on it.
And Israel... Well they were in the area before the US and nothing to do in this forum.

WMD is still the big thing. They still haven't found any. They just announced that UN inspectors would be allowed back in. <- That to me says WMD is the end of the line. BTW did you know that they announced that they were at 900th US soldiers dead?

So far the Iraq campaign has produce nothing constructive.

-M-

   

You should have cheched into it a little before bashing it, bub. An open minded individual would have.

Google the name Dr. Asaf Durakovic. Go ahead. Dispute HIM.

Here is an article from BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3050317.stm

Tell you what, why don't you give me a list of 'respectable' news sources and I'll probably find you something about this.

I'll admit, I used that article because of its drama content, but the story has tons of merit. Research it. Wake up.

   

OK... You found one from a decent news source. (Good job!) I'll quit harping on you about "frame of reference" But it still applies as you read it! I'm going to "break it down" for you (So to speak)... If I have to explain to you what Objective Thinking is, then you should not be debating politics. A quote I will repeat and love to use when explaining this is: "Evaluate for what things are, not what you want them to be." This article is a perfect example! If you read it subjectively, you are going to believe that this is actually true without any questioning because your feelings want to believe it no matter what. The keyword is "feelings"! If you read it objectively, you look for actual truth & fact... "Is it sensible?" Sort of like Mathematics... SHOW THE WORK! Or Logic. Right off the bat, (As an objective thinker) this article is flawed; Could be believable, and is intelligent but still someone's personal feeling and opinion rather than prrof and why? Here's why:
[font=Tahoma]A small sample of Afghan civilians have shown "astonishing" levels of uranium in their urine, an independent scientist says. [/font] (One scientist's opinion... And only a small number of the population were tested... Doesn't specify how many, so it could only be one, but tries to get the reader to believe that this is an emergency.)
[font=Verdana]He said they had the same symptoms as some veterans of the 1991 Gulf war.
But he found no trace of the depleted uranium (DU) some scientists believe is implicated in Gulf War syndrome. [/font] (A huge story about amounts of uranium being found in Afghan population, but "found no trace") END OF STORY. Keep 'em coming!

   

You have missed the entire point of his findings and why he was 'astonished'. He was expecting to find depleted uranium, if anything. Meaning the same crap they've been throwing around Iraq. What he found was that their poisoning had to come from non-depleted uranium, in other words, a nuclear warhead. Not a very big nuclear warhead because of the limited fallout. This is what has pointed him to testing of the new mini-nukes that the US has recently spent 15 million dollars developing. Maybe you could point out the flaw in this logic instead of babling about objective thinking?

As for the small number of people that had these astonishing levels? They were people known to have been in the area that the bomb was dropped when the bomb was dropped.

I am not a politician, I am a scientist. A mechanical engineer to be exact. I know something about following evidence.

   

OK Robair...
Get back to me when he actually does find evidence that the U.S. dropped nukes! (Like him...) Quit generalizing. Man, where were you when Sadaam gased the Kurds? Did you ever think that the people could have been exposed before the first Gulf War? Or has he done a complete study that far back yet? Keep studying the article.

   

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