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I know this process, entirely too well. You need certain types of checks performed by the RCMP, only if you are going to be working with 'vulnerable people', and the RCMP will deliver a sealed record to your employer.

In order to apply for a criminal pardon, or for a regular background check for employment, you don't need your employer's permission. Anyone can make an appointment (or walk into an RCMP station with the cash in hand, they don't make change) and start the process to do a background check. With a Pardon, you need a copy of your fingerprints, which the Comissionaires can submit electronically and it takes half the time. In theory.

http://www.commissionaires.ca/national/ ... rd-checks/

Now, the 'fast' check done at an RCMP station will only return a 'yes' or 'maybe' answer. For a definite 'no', they need your fingerprints. RCMP will take your (ink!) prints, by appointment. That's why I suggest the Comissionaires, much faster service.

Now, assuming you are telling the truth and have no adult criminal record, the Comissionaires will get back to you in about 6 weeks with that fact. Or, it will come back with a list of convictions.

Why did I bother typing all that? Because I know a family member who couldn't get a job, and didn't know why. So they went through this process, to find that they had a criminal conviction in a place in Canada they had never been to! Identity theft, at the highest level. And they had no idea that someone elses' criminal conviction was affecting their life.

You are right in that 9/11 changed a lot of things. It's obiquitous now that HR people can type your name into a web app and search it for 'red flags'. If one pops up, they don't give a shit if you killed a whole family in their sleep or drove your car without insurance. Your resume goes in the round file cabinet, and no one will ever tell you why.

   

They must have got switched back.......... because this one is complaining about "slaving" away.

   

Voir dire /ˈvwɑr ˌdiər/ is a legal phrase that refers to a variety of procedures connected with jury trials. It originally referred to an oath taken by jurors to tell the truth (Latin verum dicere), i.e., to say what is true, what is objectively accurate or subjectively honest, or both.

In the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada (and sometimes in the United States of America) it refers to a "trial within a trial". It is a hearing to determine the admissibility of evidence, or the competency of a witness or juror.[2] As the subject matter of the voir dire often relates to evidence, competence or other matters that may lead to bias on behalf of the jury, the jury may be removed from the court for the voir dire.

Secondly, I have a sheet provided by the American border (inadvertently as this is an internal form), that provides information about my vehicle and the fact that I am being pulled over for secondary inspection. When I contacted the Americans years later, a far more honest and transparent lot than the Canadians I might add; one of the questions she asked is how I received this form as it is for their internal files only...I explained that it was simply handed to me from the U.S border guard, which it was.

Furthermore, I am well beyond the passport issue and at the litigation stage as I have already corresponded with the DHS, put in my appeal and next step is litigation. They don't even deny that I was pulled over for secondary inspection, they don't deny that it is based on information provided by Canadian authorities, what they are denying, at this point, is the access to WHO and WHY as it was redacted.

   

I think they call them mental institutes now and the ones here in Canada might let you in.

   

Thanks for this information Caleb, you are one of the brighter spots on this board.

I visited the site last night and I am there now, I will give it a gander and see if I can get some more details that way. However, why would they have information my municipal police wouldn't?

   

They should have exactly the same information as your local Police, as they both should be able to access Corrections Canada databases.

I'm thinking that if you have some sort of 'watch' status on your record, that a criminal records check will show you to be clean, but you may still throw 'red flags' when checked using a US company's access because they keep a copy of your records that are not subject to Canadian regulations.

Companies like IBM use a US based company to check for criminal histories, so if you were flagged in Canada and were removed, you will still be flagged in the US and throwing flags because they don't give a rats ass about our procedures or judicial decisions. A clean records check would indicate this is the case. A positive records check might also give you some answers.

   

So let me get this straight.
You start off with "SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET ASYLUM BECAUSE CANADA IS SO BAD TO ME" while what is really going on is that you just want to know what is on your criminal record.

   

No, he is quite sure he knows what is on his criminal record. He wants to know if the government has flagged him as 'subversive', in a process that is unchallengable and unconstitutional.

I don't think in this day and age that is unreasonable. Do you think if someone ran the name of 'Maher Arar' through the database that it would pop up with a 'red flag'?

   

Then why not just say that?

Why yell "I WANT ASYLUM SOMEWHERE AND CIC IS NOT HELPING ME, WHEEEEEH". Well, duhh, that's not what they are for.

I understand his problem, but not his way of trying to get answers. Nor his responses to any of us.

   

I had a lengthy discussion with a rep, there, alot of information. Bottom line, I do the fingerprint research and they give me all they can, I take it from there with how I proceed with the results.

You are right about the U.S DB system Caleb, she told me even in cases in which Canada pardons a citizen (something I shouldn't need as I don't have a criminal record) they maintain that in their DB forever.

What is most confusing is the fact that I have crossed over in the U.S numerous times before, including with my wife without an issue. Also, you bring up a valid point about IBM but what about the Canadian bank I was run out of? They certainly wouldn't follow the same strict procedure.

This is a reasonable start though, thanks for this.

   

If the average citizen had lived in my shoes and experienced what I have experienced they would understand the immense frustration, especially when I consider myself a person with strong character. Criminal records and police methods to ruin peoples lives on the "hush hush" while they are not answerable shouldn't be the Canadian way. If it is the new reality, and I don't believe it is quite frankly; than I will certainly explore the possibilities to leave this country, I have lost so many years already.

Why should it bother you that people are wanting to leave? If anything your disapproval should be with the authorities who are running the country's security "business". It's a global economy and I shouldn't have to climb a wall out of Canada to find freedom.

   

You don't have to. Apply for a visa somewhere. Just a work permit, or a PR visa.

Why do you care what bothers me in the first place? You post your cry for attention on a public forum, and then bitch when people don't kiss your ass?

   

I can't comment on his motivations, but perhaps he was just tired of the runaround and wanted it to end? Perhaps he gave up on the system, and all it took was a little information to re-motivate him?

   

Not a problem. Been there, still doing that. Thanks Mr. Harper!

About the Bank; I could't tell you. Speculation would be that they ran a background check on you and ran you out because of the results. Many HR departments now have been outsourced to India, which means they'd use a US company to do those checks.

But lets face it, you can come off like a nutter based on first impressions. Who would want to leave the Canadian Utopia? An alternate explanation could be you just met someone who didn't like you. Again, I've been there. Left a job because of personality differences where my supervisor actually was sabotaging my work to get me fired because he didn't like me. Nothing CSIS had to do with it at all.

   

I didn't post for attention I posted for assistance. You read a post and don't take into consideration the number of years and painstaking measures I have gone through to try and obtain information from CSIS regarding what I have experienced. You have no idea the affect it has had on my life and our family; but you take the time to bash me. Do you think I had a a simple argument with a cop for a speeding ticket and decided I have had enough and I'm packing my stuff and leaving? This has been a full court press against me, the more I have challenged them (through diplomatic channels and a lawsuit) to get transparency the worse my suffering has become.

If you don't know the answer or don't care to help I am fine with no response from you. If someone comes on here and asks me a question about aeronautical engineering I wouldn't respond as I don't know a thing about the subject.

   

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