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neverdiplomatic @ Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:06 pm

Moore's neck was broken by the impact on the ice and the numerous players leaping onto him. Sorry, but I think Bertuzzi deserves the same punishment meted out to Moore for his attack on Naslund. Oh, wait a sec...Moore wasn't punished for that. Hmm. At least Moore will be out the rest of the season...poetic justice is sweet.

   



neverdiplomatic @ Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:14 pm

Oh please. It's a couple of broken bones. His spinal cord was in no way damaged. The man will fully recover. Had the spinal cord been remotely injured, I would feel far differently about the whole affair. However, as a former paramedic, I know enough about neck injuries to know from the news reports that this is not a serious injury. Would you call a broken arm a serious injury? How about a broken arm or ankle? Bones are bones. They knit and heal. As will his. What is sweet is that fate ensured he received punishment for his poor sportsmanlike behavior on the ice. I do believe Bertuzzi deserves suspension; what I don't believe he deserves is this vilification.
Oh, and I am sick. Thanks for noticing, hon.

   



AdamNF @ Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:16 pm

Yes he was serously hurt SWEET!!!!

Your sick..

   



neverdiplomatic @ Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:23 pm

And neither should Moore. No players who attack one another should be ALLOWED on the ice. However, if we go by that policy, we'll lose most of the NHL. bertuzzi made a mistake. He punched someone. I know that's hard to watch; after all, no one has ever been punched on ice in the history of the sport.
Jeez, get over it already. At least Todd was a man and apologised for his actions. That's more than that little punk Moore did when he concussed my team's captain.

   



AdamNF @ Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:24 pm

Bertuzzi shouldnt be aloud on the ice agian. Violence like that has no place in the modern age that we live in, and people wh like to watch it and support have no place either

   



AdamNF @ Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:35 pm

$1:
owever, if we go by that policy, we'll lose most of the NHL.


So be it, loose um all, who needs um. We can real men instead of these babies we got now.

   



ckzero @ Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:20 pm

I know I'm totally over simpilfying the issue but this is how I see it. Bertuzzi has to be out for at least as long as Moore is. If Moore can't play neither can Bertuzzi. If Moore never recovers to play again neither should Bertuzzi. If Moore does come back Bertuzzi should come back.

It's hockey folks. People get hit, whether it's part of the game or an indirect result there in of, hockey is a full contact sport. These are all grown men who know what they're getting in to. If the violence is really get so bad why doesn't the NHL just do what some of the minor leagues do and sew on the STOP patches to the back of all the players jerseys as a friendly reminder... but then again they're not kids.

   



AdamNF @ Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:49 pm

$1:
sew on the STOP patches to the back of all the players jerseys as a friendly reminder... but then again they're not kids


You could have fooled me

   



ckzero @ Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:56 pm

AdamNF AdamNF:
$1:
sew on the STOP patches to the back of all the players jerseys as a friendly reminder... but then again they're not kids


You could have fooled me



touche!



ps. Dig your avatar Adam

   



othello @ Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:24 pm

Regardless of what punishment is meted out to Bertuzzi, the level of violence in the game won't change if the League doesn't make some changes.

   



ckzero @ Sun Mar 21, 2004 6:25 am

othello othello:
Regardless of what punishment is meted out to Bertuzzi, the level of violence in the game won't change if the League doesn't make some changes.


Hey at least the league makes players wear helmets now...

   



GWN_Ronnie @ Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:27 am

Ok, first things first.
Bertuzzi made a mistake. But if you know the game, then you know it can be a very emotional game. With that said I do belive Bertuzzi got carried away when he punched Moore. I think he was trying to get him to turn around and fight.

Just in case some people don't know what happened leading up to this incident, I'll tell ya:
A few weeks before this incident Moore leveled the captain of the Canucks, Naslund, with a VERY dirty elbow. Naslund missed some games due to his concussion, courtesy of Moore. Moore was NOT suspended! He didn't even get a penalty for it!

Now, if the league does nothing about an incident like this what is a team like the Vancouver canucks suppose to do. They sure as hell can't do nothing! If that was the case opposing teams would be going all out to hit Vancouver's star players, and take them out.

So, what do all teams do when one of their star players gets hit?
They go after the guy who did. Not necessarily to really hurt him, but they want to let him know that when he gets the puck someone will be there to hit him HARD! They also fight him. People will think twice about cheapshoting another player if they know they will get their ass kicked later.

Even though what happened to Moore was terrible, it was largely in part his own fault. He knows the 'unwritten rules' of the game. He knew that he made a mistake and he needed to face up to it!

Moore was approached no less then 5 times to fight before Bertuzzi hit him.
If Moore faced up to the fact that he hit a star player in the NHL with a very dirty elbow, he would not have been lying in a hospital bed with 2 fractured vertebrae in his neck.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!

Everyone here talks about Bertuzzi suffering the consequences of his actions....what about Moore?

   



AdamNF @ Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:53 am

$1:
then you know it can be a very emotional game


Emotion is not justification, if it was it would be hard to prosecute murder.

$1:
Moore was approached no less then 5 times to fight before Bertuzzi hit him. If Moore faced up to the fact that he hit a star player in the NHL with a very dirty elbow, he would not have been lying in a hospital bed with 2 fractured vertebrae in his neck.


Are you saying because Moore didn't fight he got what he deserved? Yes...how dare he NOT fight...please, give me brake.

   



GWN_Ronnie @ Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:16 pm

$1:
Are you saying because Moore didn't fight he got what he deserved? Yes...how dare he NOT fight...please, give me brake.


No that's not what I'm saying.
I said what happened was in part his fault, due to the fact that if he did stand up for himself when Bertuzzi and the other Vancouver players confronted him Moore would not have been sucker punched.

I'm not saying what happend was good, or that anyone deserved what happened. I'm just saying if Moore followed the rules that the players self-govern themselves with, he would not have been seriously injured.

$1:
Emotion is not justification

I didn't say it was, and BTW murder and a game are VERY different you can't compare the too.


I'm interested to know how everyone would have delt with Moore if you were the coach of the Vancouver Canucks or a player on the team.

   



othello @ Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:55 pm

Ronnie, I can't disagree with you more. You are articulated exactly what's wrong with the game.

Hockey should be about skill, speed, and power. The NHL's rules have allowed it to deteriorate into a game of obstruction, holding, interference and vigilanteism.

If Moore's hit was illegal (which Naslund himself has denied several times), than it should have been called. If it wasn't called, than the Canucks should have been able to appeal that decision to the League. If the League saw a problem with the hit, they should have then dealt with it clearly and decisively. Ugly and unnecessarily dangerous hits should results in penalties that really hurt the team. It doesn't work that way today, but it should.

Fighting should NEVER be condoned, but should automatically result in suspensions for the guilty players and longer man-advantages. It's the very culture of fighting as a means of responding to questionable hits that is wrong with the NHL. I've been a fan in the past, but I like the game less and less today. By using minimalist penalties, the League is relying on teams and players to self-govern

   



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