Only 3 in 10 immigrants
andyt @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:46 am
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Approximately 26 per cent of immigrants who come to Canada each year do so under the family class. Mr. Kenney said the emphasis must be placed on those applicants with work experience and skills who can immediately contribute to the economy. At the moment, only three in 10 new arrivals have been selected for their economic potential, he said. If that number is to rise, there may have to be cuts in other areas, such as the family class. Those decisions remain open for discussion.
1/3. What kind of immigration policy is that?
Brenda @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:54 am
33% "economic potential". What the hell does that mean?? Is that just skilled workers, or also entrepeneurs and investors?
26% are family class immigrants. That number should drastically go down.
At any rate, who are the other 41%?
BeaverFever @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:06 am
Brenda Brenda:
33% "economic potential". What the hell does that mean?? Is that just skilled workers, or also entrepeneurs and investors?
26% are family class immigrants. That number should drastically go down.
At any rate, who are the other 41%?
26% are family class immigrants. That number should drastically go down.
At any rate, who are the other 41%?
If 26% are family class, then the 33% must only included skilled workers, not entrepreneurs, so the picture is incomplete.
Also, those "family class" workers end up with the unskilled min wage jobs so without them, you'd find it harder to buy cheap crap at walmart and have a double-double for $1.50. Therefore, we need to reconsider whether these people have "economic potential" as they keep prices low. You can't have it both ways.
weaselways @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:22 am
Could it the 40,000 (about 25% of the 280,000 total) being looked as "provincial nominees" haven't been included federal totals? It would sure shorten up the discrepancy.
Brenda @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:31 am
Provincial nominees are not immigrants. Yet. They are in the country on a Work Permit...
Btw, I don't know where you got an education in math, but 25% of 280,000 is not 40,000 
It's 70,000...
EyeBrock @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:36 am
I'm amazed that this article is so pro-family class;
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Charan Gill, from Progressive Intercultural Community Services, a B.C. organization that supports South Asian immigrant communities, argues that non-working grandparents can contribute to the economy in ways that are not always apparent.
“Grandparents look after grandchildren so the two parents can work and pay their bills, that’s very crucial,” he said.
“Grandparents look after grandchildren so the two parents can work and pay their bills, that’s very crucial,” he said.
Grandparents brought into look after the kids at our expense.
It’s pretty obvious that older family-class immigrants are more likely to need to use our health care system, a system they haven’t paid into and a system that is bursting at the seams.
Bring Granny Khan over, but you pay for her healthcare.
Proculation @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:40 am
weaselways weaselways:
Could it the 40,000 (about 25% of the 280,000 total) being looked as "provincial nominees" haven't been included federal totals? It would sure shorten up the discrepancy.
Quebec is a good example: speaking french is like a passport to immigrate here. Just look at our oversized Haitian community would didn't even go to school.
Bruce_the_vii @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:43 am
The Canadian Centre for Immigration Policy Reform puts the economic worker at 17% of the total quota. You have to remember that immigrants come as families so if you want an oil engineer you bring in, on average, four people. Immigration has this limit to solving labour shortages.
EyeBrock @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:45 am
It solves one issue and creates three more Bruce.
weaselways @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:07 am
Brenda Brenda:
Provincial nominees are not immigrants. Yet. They are in the country on a Work Permit...
Btw, I don't know where you got an education in math, but 25% of 280,000 is not 40,000 It's 70,000...
Btw, I don't know where you got an education in math, but 25% of 280,000 is not 40,000
It's 70,000...You see this is
very embarassing, as part of my job I'm constantly using a calculator working hydraulic & fluid equations, it would seem I'm loosing my ability to do mental arithmetic. Guess, I'm going to have to keep a pen & paper close.
Brenda @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:18 am
weaselways weaselways:
Brenda Brenda:
Provincial nominees are not immigrants. Yet. They are in the country on a Work Permit...
Btw, I don't know where you got an education in math, but 25% of 280,000 is not 40,000 It's 70,000...
Btw, I don't know where you got an education in math, but 25% of 280,000 is not 40,000
It's 70,000...You see this is
very embarassing, as part of my job I'm constantly using a calculator working hydraulic & fluid equations, it would seem I'm loosing my ability to do mental arithmetic. Guess, I'm going to have to keep a pen & paper close.
You could also see it as a typo, since the 4 and 7 are very close together on a key-pad
(here, I got you an excuse
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andyt @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:24 am
Brenda Brenda:
33% "economic potential". What the hell does that mean?? Is that just skilled workers, or also entrepeneurs and investors?
26% are family class immigrants. That number should drastically go down.
At any rate, who are the other 41%?
26% are family class immigrants. That number should drastically go down.
At any rate, who are the other 41%?
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Roughly 26% of immigrants come to Canada as part of the family class — this includes spouses and partners, dependent children, parents and grandparents of people who are already in Canada.
About 14% of immigrants are refugees.
That means 40% of those immigrating to Canada do so for completely non-economic reasons.
The remaining 60% are what we consider economic immigrants, but that doesn’t tell us the full story.
Less than half of those who come in as economic immigrants are principal applicants — their spouses and dependents are also included in this category.
About 14% of immigrants are refugees.
That means 40% of those immigrating to Canada do so for completely non-economic reasons.
The remaining 60% are what we consider economic immigrants, but that doesn’t tell us the full story.
Less than half of those who come in as economic immigrants are principal applicants — their spouses and dependents are also included in this category.
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-eng.do?nid=612239
also:
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Several studies have concluded that we would have to quadruple immigration levels from 250,000 to more than one million annually in order to maintain the age ratio in the Canadian population. But that’s not going to happen. It isn’t going to happen for two reasons.
First, the government has focused a great deal of its effort to ensuring that any immigrant we do welcome to Canada can integrate fully into society. Simply put: we do not have the resources or ability to integrate a million new immigrants every year.
We can’t teach them English or French. We can’t flood our taxpayer-funded services like health care and public education. We can’t put such high pressure on housing and real estate markets.
Second, Canadians do not want significantly higher levels of immigration. Recent polls show that nearly 80% of Canadians are opposed to significantly higher levels of immigration.
Even if we don’t increase the number of immigrants we admit, we still have to talk about the type of immigrants we welcome.
First, the government has focused a great deal of its effort to ensuring that any immigrant we do welcome to Canada can integrate fully into society. Simply put: we do not have the resources or ability to integrate a million new immigrants every year.
We can’t teach them English or French. We can’t flood our taxpayer-funded services like health care and public education. We can’t put such high pressure on housing and real estate markets.
Second, Canadians do not want significantly higher levels of immigration. Recent polls show that nearly 80% of Canadians are opposed to significantly higher levels of immigration.
Even if we don’t increase the number of immigrants we admit, we still have to talk about the type of immigrants we welcome.
Brenda @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:29 am
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Even if we don’t increase the number of immigrants we admit, we still have to talk about the type of immigrants we welcome.
bootlegga @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:31 am
No big surprise really - everyone can't be an economic immigrant - they need to have $250,000 grand minimum. Besides, how many immigrants (family class or otherwise) are able to bring their house/apartment, car and/or other big items with them?
Oh yeah, none, they have to pay for that here and create jobs for Canadians. What's even worse is that they buy food, clothes and all the other necessities of life, thereby creating jobs for lots of other Canadians.
Man, what a drain on our country and economy...
andyt @ Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:33 am
Brenda Brenda:
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Even if we don’t increase the number of immigrants we admit, we still have to talk about the type of immigrants we welcome.
That's what I'm trying to do. Tho I would rather talk about it in the context of an immigration policy that opens and shuts the doors according to economic conditions, with family class always coming last if we really think there's room for them and we can afford the burden.
I like the proposal by the people I have been quoting - let people come in on temp work visas for specific jobs. Let them go thru a cycle of 2 visas = 4 years. If they do well and keep their noses clean, let them become eligible for pr status and then they can bring in their dependents. Reunion with granny and grandpa would be wayyyyy down the list of priorities.
Kenney has a good idea with expanding the category that's sponsored by a province for a particular job. He wants to put procedures in place to ensure that those immigrants actually stay on that job as contracted. That's another good way of ensuring there are actual jobs in place for the immigrants that come here. Win win for both us and them.