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Please tell me then why the left will tear their hair out over the rights of woman, gays, addicts, prostitutes, and any other special interest group in Canada, but refuses to acknowledge the gender persecution that existed under the Taliban. Why does the left accept such a restriction on international basic human rights for certain religions?

   

What gives us the right to arbitrarily impose our will on others?

How about if the world imposed its will on us and forced us to bring our rather high per capita energy consumption and pollution production in line with the rest of the world (or just Europe) despite the negative impact it would have on our society?

How about if another country, lets say China, decides to force Canada to grant large swatches of land to its native groups for their fully owned and governed country? Hell, we would have a hard time coming up with a good reason why the natives shouldn't get this.

Alot of people on this forum are all over themselves supporting Afghanistan obstensively for "the good" we are doing but those very same people told Bono to piss off and all he wanted was money for as much a humanitarian reason as this is and without the massive military effort to boot.

When it comes to other countries and/or people telling Canada to stop killing seals, polluting, consuming energy at a huge per capita, or just telling us to treat our native populations better then suddenly we do an about face.

"mind your buisness" seems to be our standard cry.

Far to many Canadians are peaking over the fence criticizing the state of the neighbours lawn all to oblivious to the bare patches and dog turds littering our own.

   

So you don't want us to do anything in Darfur? You're glad we didn't do anything in Rwanda?

   

First off, your BS assesment of the "left" is just full of shit. Second, it was the "left" that brought this plight to the world only to see "the right" ignore it (behind the veil ring a bell). Just as Rwanda and a whole load of other areas that you are not screaming that Canada should institute the draft and gut healthcare and education in order to build a large army to police all these areas.

We aren't responsible for policing the world and all our good intentions seem to end up in hell so to speak. For decades the African leaders have blamed the west for the inherent violence that they themselves inflict upon one another. They keep blaiming everybody else for violence that they themselves must end.

The same goes for Afghanistan. 30 years of interference is enough and virtually every shred of violence can be attributed to foreign countries, be they the USSR, Pakistan, the US, India, Iran, us, playing policitcs in their land and interfering.

We aren't there for some BS humanitarian reason. Thats the propaganda they feed to the guilible and pointing out that the massive amounts of money we threw at them has enabled them to build schools that we won't bomb is no different then Bono pointing out the good all the money he throws at Africa is doing. Hell, there are shitloads of places on earth where that money would produce identical results and it wouldn't involve us invading and occupying a country that never posed a treat to us.

Funny how you never seem to wring your hands about the plight of Canada's natives or any of the other billions of poor unfortuantes in the world.

   

Not if they involve going in and using force to kill a bunch of people in order to force them to adhere to our will, no.

Why do you seem to think that military intervention is a right? Would you think it OK if Russia decided to "liberate" all the oil producing countries from internal strife?

You just don't seem to understand that we don't have the right to just arbitraily enforce our will upon others anymore then I can decide I don't like the way you are living your life and decide to change it "for the better".

   

I suppose the left would now decry the US lead fight against slavery also, or was that still justified because it was whites oppressing blacks?
The left needs to recognize the differences between unique cultural traditions and stoning women for being raped.

   

If you can't hold an honest debate without resorting to spewing anti-Left hatred and misinformation then don't waste my time.

BTW, it was the left who fought racial discrimination and rampant racism in the US, especially in the south for most of the last century and guess who opposed them? Thats, right, the right.

   

And look who took the U.S. into both world wars...this myth about the "left" is usually perpetrated by those that don't know squat and simply want to propogate their agendas.

I certainly don't group the "right" (and all it's ideological variants) into the same mold.

   

somebody needs to read up on US history.

   

Agreed. If we want to ascribe political slants to various endeavours around the world I would be willing to bet loads that the people trying to bring the worlds attention to the multitude of atrocities being comitted would almost all bend the same way.

   

No, that is not true.

The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. - the penultimate black civil rights activist, was a conservative Republican and a devout Christian. He was not the least bit a leftist and despite many attempts to smear him as a leftist the FBI eventually (after both his death and the death of J. Edgar Hoover) cleared him of any associations with leftist groups or Communist agitators.

The Republican Party led the way on civil rights legislation in the 1940's and 1950's. First, in the 1940's the Republicans pressured Roosevelt (a leftist by any measure) to desegregate the military and to end the imprisonment of Japanese Americans. Two Republican attorneys were imprisoned for a time in 1943 for their efforts to end the illegal incarceration of Japanese Americans. The two same attorneys represented several hundred black sailors at the mass mutiny trial for the Port Chicago disaster. Subsequent Republican efforts to undo this injustice in Congress were opposed by key Democrats until 1999 when the Republican Congress gave up on passing a measure in the House and instead passed a Resolution in Caucus asking then-President Bill Clinton to pardon the one remaining survivor, Freddie Meeks. To Clinton's credit, he issued the pardon that same year.

President Eisenhower, a conservative Republican by any measure, repeatedly sent in Federal troops to enforce the desegregation orders of the Federal Courts after the Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas ruling by the US Supreme Court led by Chief Justice Earl Warren, a lifelong conservative Republican.

The 1964 Civil Rights Act, while sponsored and supported by Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was supported only by 61 percent of Democrats in the House and 69 percent of Democrats in the Senate. Those bad old right wing Republicans supported it with respective votes of 80% in the House and 82% in the Senate.

It was nasty old Republican right-winger Richard Nixon who started Affirmative Action with his 1969 Philadelphia Plan. He followed up on that with the Equal Opportunity Act of 1972 which was passed despite objections and threats of filibuster and cloture from Senators Teddy Kennedy and 'Scoop' Jackson - both left leaning liberals by any measure.

President Bush (then Governor), the nasty Republican that he is, restored Juneteenth as a paid holiday in the Texas state schools after liberal Democrat Ann Richards had ended it as a paid holiday for supposed budgetary reasons.

Only in the late 1960's and early 1970's did the leftists embrace civil rights as their issue for the reasons that it served their anti-establishment purposes.

Prior to the late 1960's leftists were more interested in cuddling up to their beloved Soviet and French communist buddies than in championing the rights of people who traditionally voted Republican and conservative.

   

Can we get a collective DerbyX was wrong again ?

   

A wee bit selective history (not that it's wrong), but some elements do need highlighting. Firstly, Truman desegregated the army (and established the President's Committee on Civil Rights), secondly, Ike referred to himself as an "extremely liberal conservative" (and he actually thought Brown case was a mistake), King's philosophical inspirations were also Thoreau and Gandhi and his social leanings also extended to supporting labour unions (and many African Americans did hold strong historical ties to the Republican party) and JFK (who initially did not have a great record on Civil Rights) and LBJ do deserve a good deal of credit for the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act and the Fair Housing Act (and of course, LBJ did appoint the first African-American cabinet member, appointment of a an African-American woman to the federal bench and made Marshall the first African-American to serve on the Supreme Court).

In terms of the voting record on the Civil rights Amendment, it is true that Congressional Republicans overwhelmingly supported the Bill, but Democrats were ideologically split as Northern Democrats actually had higher supporting figures than their (R) counterparts. It was only when southern (D) were factored in that the numbers droped (I don't have the figures handy, but I can certainly find them, if need be). In fact, I don't think a single southern (R) voted in favor, compared to some southern (D)

While i can't deny the contributions of other "rightest" Presidents (Nixon's' supreme court appointments also did a great deal to combat racial discrimination) i'm not sure any ideology can claim a monopoly on Civil Rights contributions (although the Left did play a significant role in Women's Liberation)

   

Then why is it so silent when it comes to denouncing the civil rights abuses that Islam subjects upon half of it's population?

   

I wasn't aware it was...

And be careful because ideological manifestations differ widely depending upon their cultural context, so I hope you have a good grasp of Canadian political spectrum BEFORE launching into some sort of partisan rant.

   

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