"I Killed Innocent People For Our Government"
A terrific interview with a former US marine about goings on in Iraq:
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Atrocities in Iraq: 'I killed innocent people for our government'
By Paul Rockwell -- Special to The Bee
"We forget what war is about, what it does to those who wage it and those who suffer from it. Those who hate war the most, I have often found, are veterans who know it."
- Chris Hedges, New York Times reporter and author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning"
For nearly 12 years, Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey was a hard-core, some say gung-ho, Marine. For three years he trained fellow Marines in one of the most grueling indoctrination rituals in military life - Marine boot camp.
The Iraq war changed Massey. The brutality, the sheer carnage of the U.S. invasion, touched his conscience and transformed him forever. He was honorably discharged with full severance last Dec. 31 and is now back in his hometown, Waynsville, N.C.
When I talked with Massey last week, he expressed his remorse at the civilian loss of life in incidents in which he himself was involved.
Read the interview here.
mtbr @ Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:30 am
Troll 
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
mtbr mtbr:
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Well I suppose that's not as bad as if you had attempted a defence of what has happened in Iraq.
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
Those 'Cowards' were Taliban from Afganistan, not Iraq, get the wars straight.
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
Those 'Cowards' were Taliban from Afganistan, not Iraq, get the wars straight.
They were actually Al Qaeda.
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
Those 'Cowards' were Taliban from Afganistan, not Iraq, get the wars straight.
Actually, most of the hijackers were Saudis from Saudi Arabia...
canuckns canuckns:
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
Those 'Cowards' were Taliban from Afganistan, not Iraq, get the wars straight.
They were actually Al Qaeda.
I was just going to edit that...cheers
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
Those 'Cowards' were Taliban from Afganistan, not Iraq, get the wars straight.
Actually, most of the hijackers were Saudis from Saudi Arabia...
That were sleepers, living in the US
The US government and the US Marine Corps do not order the murder of innocent people and if this Sgt. says he knowingly killed innocent people then he needs to be prosecuted for war crimes to the fullest extent of the law, stripped of his honorable discharge, and stripped of his pension.
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
The attacks on 9/11 were a horror, but two wrongs don't make a right, and, as already mentioned, Iraq had nothing to do with it.
Some follow up:
[web]http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0123-23.htm[/web]
Link
Massey was discredited a long time ago - didn't know that's who you were referring to.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/mari ... s-for-fame
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Former Marine’s claims false
By Ron Harris
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
WASHINGTON — For more than a year, former Marine Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey has been telling anybody who would listen about the atrocities that he and other Marines committed in Iraq.
In scores of newspaper, magazine and broadcast stories, at a Canadian immigration hearing and in numerous speeches across the country, Massey told how he and other Marines recklessly, sometimes intentionally killed dozens of innocent Iraqi civilians.
Among his claims:
• Marines fired on and killed peaceful Iraqi protesters.
• Americans shot a 4-year-old Iraqi girl in the head.
• Tractor-trailers were filled with the bodies of civilian men, women and children killed by American artillery.
Massey’s claims have gained him celebrity. Last month, Massey’s book, "Kill, Kill, Kill," was released in France. His allegations have been reported in nationwide publications such as Vanity Fair and USA Today, as well as numerous broadcast reports.
This year, he joined the anti-war bus tour of Cindy Sheehan and he’s spoken at Cornell and Syracuse universities, among others.
News organizations worldwide published or broadcast Massey’s claims without any corroboration and in most cases without investigation. Outside of the Marines, almost no one has seriously questioned whether Massey, a 12-year veteran who was honorably discharged, was telling the truth.
He wasn’t.
Each of his claims is either demonstrably false or exaggerated — according to his fellow Marines, Massey’s own admissions and the five journalists who were embedded with Massey’s unit, including a reporter and photographer from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and reporters from the Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal.
Massey, 34, of Waynesville, N.C., was with the 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines based out of Twentynine Palms, Calif. The unit went to the Middle East in January 2003 and participated in the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Massey was discharged in December 2003, shortly after returning from Iraq, due to depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome.
He began turning up in news stories last spring with accounts of military atrocities. Massey’s primary claim has been that Marines from his battalion — some of whom, he told a Minneapolis audience, were "psychopathic killers" — recklessly shot and killed Iraqi civilians, sometimes, he said, upon orders from their commanders. During a hearing in Canada, Massey said, "we deliberately gunned down people who were civilians."
The Marine Corps investigated Massey’s claims and said they were "unsubstantiated."
From the beginning, Massey misled reporters.
In early interviews, he told how he had lost his job at a furniture store because of his anti-war activities. But when asked about the incident in an Oct. 19 interview with the Post-Dispatch, Massey said that he had quit his job but never felt pressure to leave.
"I left on good terms," he said.
He also backtracked from allegations he made in a May 2004 radio interview and elsewhere that he had seen tractor-trailers filled with the bodies of Iraqi civilians when Marines entered an Iraqi military prison outside of Baghdad. He said the Iraqis had been killed by American artillery.
He told listeners the scene was so bad "that the plasma from the body and skin was decomposing and literally oozing out of the crevices of the tractor-trailer bed."
He repeated the story during the Post-Dispatch interview. But when told that the newspaper’s photographs and eyewitness reports identified the trailer containing all men, mostly in uniform, Massey admitted that he had never seen the bodies.
Instead, he said, he had received his information from "intelligence reports." When asked if those reports were official documents, he answered, "No, that’s what the other Marines told me."
The details of Massey’s stories changed repeatedly.
For example, he almost always told his audiences and interviewers of an event he said he’d never forget: Marines in his unit shooting four Iraqi civilians in a red Kia automobile.
In some accounts, Massey said Marines fired at the vehicle after it failed to stop at a checkpoint. In another version, he said the Marines stormed the car.
Sometimes he said three of the men were killed immediately while the fourth was wounded and covered in blood; sometimes he said the fourth man was "miraculously unscathed."
Sometimes he said the Marines left the three men on the side of the road to die without medical treatment while the fourth man exclaimed: "Why did you shoot my brother?" In other versions, he said the man made the statement as medical personnel were attempting to treat the three other men, or as the survivor sat near the car, or to Massey personally.
There is no evidence that any of the versions occurred.
Massey told a version of the story before an immigration hearing in December in support of an American soldier trying to flee to Canada. The Seattle Times reported Massey’s allegations in a story about that hearing. Then, Massey said he and the Marines killed four of the demonstrators. In other interviews, he said the Marines shot at 10 demonstrators and killed all but one that he let crawl away.
In interviews with more than a dozen 7th Marines and journalists who were in the military complex that morning, none can recall such an incident.
The Marine Corps readily admits that some of its men shot civilians, but not intentionally, they said. The Post-Dispatch reported on the second day of the war that Marines in one battalion had mistakenly shot and killed members of a British-based television network while shooting at Iraqi attackers.
When Marines moved into Baghdad a month later, the Post-Dispatch reported two separate automobile-related incidents in which Marines from Massey’s battalion inadvertently shot and wounded 12 civilians. All of the passengers survived following treatment by medical personnel.
One of the checkpoint shootings is apparently the basis for one of most shocking recollections claimed by Massey in numerous speeches and interviews: The shooting of a 4-year-old girl in the head.
While touring with Sheehan in Montgomery, Ala., he told of seeing the girl’s body. "You can’t take it back," he said, according to the local newspaper.
But in the interview with the Post-Dispatch, Massey admitted that he had never seen the girl.
No 4-year-old died in the incident or was even wounded, according to witnesses, including a Post-Dispatch photographer at the scene who filed photos of the incident that were published in the newspaper.
What a shock that this liar was out touring with Mother Sheehan! In fact, they’ve even made an anti-American "movie" together, " Leave My Children Alone," which, from the looks of Massey, might not be a bad suggestion:
Excerpt - go to the link to read more.
To add to my earlier comment - the reason Massey was not prosecuted for the alleged crimes is that there is no corroborating evidence to convict him or to even get a Section 32 convened.
stemmer @ Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:07 pm
Streaker Streaker:
stemmer stemmer:
How about lamenting about the innocent lives lost in the twin world trade towers when these cowards decided to wage war against civilians?
The attacks on 9/11 were a horror, but two wrongs don't make a right, and, as already mentioned, Iraq had nothing to do with it.
Then you need to read some of the work done by these two investigative reporters....Jayna Davis and Peter Lance... They work independently of each other but I believe these two's work is the best on what really happened...
Poor guy. Life must be the shits when you can't differentiate reality from your own twisted fantasies.
How can anybody actually believe a freakin thing this self serving idiot says. Opps sorry about that, I forgot that some of the anti war types are gullible enough to believe anything as long as it suits their own twisted and misinformed agenda.