10 years ago today Quebec voted no...
prosoldier @ Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:29 pm
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... Quebec could be plunged back into the tumult of a referendum campaign in a few short years. And with the advent of the federal Clarity Act, the next time might make 1995 look like a picnic.
Fears of a third referendum in the not-too-distant future are stoked by the enduring unpopularity of Jean Charest's Liveral government in Quebec City and persistent support for sovereignty by close to 50% of Quebecers.
Maurice Pinard, a McGill University professor emeritus who is considered the dean of Quebec polling experts, offered a simple piece of advice for federalist leaders about another referendum. "If I were them, I would start planning," he said in an interview, "but I don't know if they're doing anything."
The separatists make no secret of the fact they are getting ready. The Parti Quebecois platform adopted in June callsfor a referendum, "as soon as possible," within the next PQ mandate.
- by Graeme Hamilton
National Post 29 October 2005
Fears of a third referendum in the not-too-distant future are stoked by the enduring unpopularity of Jean Charest's Liveral government in Quebec City and persistent support for sovereignty by close to 50% of Quebecers.
Maurice Pinard, a McGill University professor emeritus who is considered the dean of Quebec polling experts, offered a simple piece of advice for federalist leaders about another referendum. "If I were them, I would start planning," he said in an interview, "but I don't know if they're doing anything."
The separatists make no secret of the fact they are getting ready. The Parti Quebecois platform adopted in June callsfor a referendum, "as soon as possible," within the next PQ mandate.
- by Graeme Hamilton
National Post 29 October 2005
Personally, I get extremly agitated anytime anyone speaks positively about Quebec separation. I cannot understand how anyone would want to leave the Nation of Canada, and how anyone could feel that they are so negleted that they must.
Jaime_Souviens @ Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:49 pm
prosoldier prosoldier:
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... Quebec could be plunged back into the tumult of a referendum campaign in a few short years. And with the advent of the federal Clarity Act, the next time might make 1995 look like a picnic.
Fears of a third referendum in the not-too-distant future are stoked by the enduring unpopularity of Jean Charest's Liveral government in Quebec City and persistent support for sovereignty by close to 50% of Quebecers.
Maurice Pinard, a McGill University professor emeritus who is considered the dean of Quebec polling experts, offered a simple piece of advice for federalist leaders about another referendum. "If I were them, I would start planning," he said in an interview, "but I don't know if they're doing anything."
The separatists make no secret of the fact they are getting ready. The Parti Quebecois platform adopted in June callsfor a referendum, "as soon as possible," within the next PQ mandate.
- by Graeme Hamilton
National Post 29 October 2005
Fears of a third referendum in the not-too-distant future are stoked by the enduring unpopularity of Jean Charest's Liveral government in Quebec City and persistent support for sovereignty by close to 50% of Quebecers.
Maurice Pinard, a McGill University professor emeritus who is considered the dean of Quebec polling experts, offered a simple piece of advice for federalist leaders about another referendum. "If I were them, I would start planning," he said in an interview, "but I don't know if they're doing anything."
The separatists make no secret of the fact they are getting ready. The Parti Quebecois platform adopted in June callsfor a referendum, "as soon as possible," within the next PQ mandate.
- by Graeme Hamilton
National Post 29 October 2005
Personally, I get extremly agitated anytime anyone speaks positively about Quebec separation. I cannot understand how anyone would want to leave the Nation of Canada, and how anyone could feel that they are so negleted that they must.
Well, everyone knows of the horrible and hideous torture of Québécois by the horrible and unpleasant ROCians.
prosoldier @ Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:29 pm
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Well, everyone knows of the horrible and hideous torture of Québécois by the horrible and unpleasant ROCians.
What?
Jaime_Souviens @ Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:58 pm
prosoldier prosoldier:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
Well, everyone knows of the horrible and hideous torture of Québécois by the horrible and unpleasant ROCians.
What?
I'm joking. I do that.
Some people think it's funny, some just think it's annoying.
VitaminC @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:48 am
There are many reasons.
One is that many quebecois don't consider us to be Canadian. They consider us to be American, because our culture has been so erroded by American culture.
We listen to American music, watch American TV, watch American movies....
Obviously they are wrong, but I understand where they get their false notions from.
Most of them have never been to english-speaking Canada, so it's just as easy for them to have no clue what is going on here, as it is for us to have no clue what is going on there....
A large part of the separatism issue is miscommunication. The Canadian Media, and also Canadian politicians magnify this miscommunication because it suits their purposes.
Every Provincial gov't in Canada tells their citizens that the rest of Canada is "out to get them", and a vote for that provincial gov't is the only thing that will save them.
In Quebec they have huge blockbuster quebecois movies in all the big theatres, and we in the Rest of Canada never hear about those movies. There are people in the RoC who try to make Canadian movies, but they always fail in the box-office....
Also the quebecois music industry has many more popular artists in it than the rest of Canada combined....
I wouldn't say that we are American (yet), but we can definately learn something from Quebec about cultural preservation.
Have you heard of Les Cowboys Fringants, Dumas, Vincent Vallieres, Jean Leloup and many more? They are renowned Canadian musiciens who are stars in many parts of the world. Some have won international awards, etc, but most of Canada has never heard of them.....
Disgrace? Yes!....Good reason to break up a country? No!.....Ammunition for politicians who want to get elected? Yes!
Streaker @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:03 am
Good post, VC, but I would disagree with this bit:
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Also the quebecois music industry has many more popular artists in it than the rest of Canada combined....
Canadian music is doing equally well in the ROC and Quebec. Now if only we could apply the lessons to be learned from this to our film industry etc...
-Mario- @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:07 am
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One is that many quebecois don't consider us to be Canadian. They consider us to be American, because our culture has been so erroded by American culture.
We listen to American music, watch American TV, watch American movies....
Obviously they are wrong, but I understand where they get their false notions from.
We listen to American music, watch American TV, watch American movies....
Obviously they are wrong, but I understand where they get their false notions from.
Where did you get that info??? I don't agree with that statement. They make a very distinc difference between us and the U.S. Quebecois will welcome any American and be very courtious toward them, and the opposite to a fellow Canadian (maudit anglais).
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Also the quebecois music industry has many more popular artists in it than the rest of Canada combined....
Not true... but they do have a lot of artists... all paid for by the Quebec goverment, and for most of them promoting the separatist movement.
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Most of them have never been to english-speaking Canada, so it's just as easy for them to have no clue what is going on here, as it is for us to have no clue what is going on there....
Agreed... if they would leave their narrow minded province they would have a much better understanding on how it is out there. I used to be one of them, Now I don't want to go back.
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A large part of the separatism issue is miscommunication. The Canadian Media, and also Canadian politicians magnify this miscommunication because it suits their purposes.
And that includes the French CBC... You should see the disinformation they get. Reminds me of a tone down Fox News.
Bouboumaster @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:22 am
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They make a very distinc difference between us and the U.S. Quebecois will welcome any American and be very courtious toward them, and the opposite to a fellow Canadian (maudit anglais).
'Not so sure about that
If you want, I could explane my point of view, but in french only, because it would be to hard for me to traduct that... Interest?
Thematic-Device @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:25 am
VitaminC VitaminC:
Have you heard of Les Cowboys Fringants, Dumas, Vincent Vallieres, Jean Leloup and many more?
Nope, nor has my music program (rhapsody), and unless you meant Tony Dumas the jazz artist.
I have heard by contrast, of k-os, rush, starting line, and the tragically hip, and so has the music program. As far as I can tell the artists you mentioned are underground, and pretty deep too. It's rather excusable if most canadians don't know them.
Bouboumaster @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:14 pm
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As far as I can tell the artists you mentioned are underground, and pretty deep too. It's rather excusable if most canadians don't know them.
They're far from underground
If you turn the radio on, in Quebec, you'll listen one them, it's pretty sure.
Streaker @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:19 pm
For some reason I've never heard of Vincent Vallieres but Dumas, Jean Leloup and Les Cowboys Fringants are indeed extremely popular in Quebec...
Thematic-Device @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:22 pm
Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:
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As far as I can tell the artists you mentioned are underground, and pretty deep too. It's rather excusable if most canadians don't know them.
They're far from underground
If you turn the radio on, in Quebec, you'll listen one them, it's pretty sure.
And if I turn the radio on in new york I'll be sure to find quite a few underground artists there too. Likewise with one or two channels in connecticut. However, outside the general region they are unheard of. And its not to be unexpected.
They would be about equivalent to a band who is famous in the bar seen in new york city. Not quite something anyone would get up in arms about should someone not from the area didn't know them
Erinites @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:22 pm
Je me suis nomme a cette instant.. "Membre de L'Office de la lange Fracaise...
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Les Cowboys Fringants
Doivent maintenat etre nommes... Les garcons vaches -fringant...
My bad... this is too much fun..
Bouboumaster @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:46 pm
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And if I turn the radio on in new york I'll be sure to find quite a few underground artists there too. Likewise with one or two channels in connecticut. However, outside the general region they are unheard of. And its not to be unexpected.
They would be about equivalent to a band who is famous in the bar seen in new york city. Not quite something anyone would get up in arms about should someone not from the area didn't know them
They would be about equivalent to a band who is famous in the bar seen in new york city. Not quite something anyone would get up in arms about should someone not from the area didn't know them
'Think you haven't understand what I tried to said...
The Cowboy IS the group in Quebec, now... They were Underground, not any more...
Erinites @ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:47 pm
So in order to retain an English Band name... it is mandatory to hide underground?