A note for the urban left in Canada
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fifeboy @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:18 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
Well, given the suppressed anger from the leftie posts above,,,
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
Suppressed anger?
fifeboy @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:21 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Gee the fact he said it was post from another site wasn't a strong enough clue?
Soooo....the difference between "it" and "he" being....
fifeboy @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:27 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Like if you say something like anyone working in the oil & gas industry must hate clean air and water? 
Or someone wanting to discuss oil must want to live in the Paleolithic...eh!
2Cdo @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:58 pm
I'd say the article was 100% accurate. 
Freakinoldguy @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm
Nobody who understands politicians believes that any of these promises will come to fruition. Once politicians discovered that they couldn't be held accountable for anything they said while on the campaign trail or in office they haven't stopped lying to us ad nauseum and unfortunately people of both political persuasions seem to be hell bent on believing that "this time" it'll be different.
So give your heads a shake because, sitting here and debating the merits of one conniving liar over another isn't going to change the fact that they're still lying to you and are more interested about getting to or remaining at the public trough than helping any Canadian no matter what their social, moral or religious status happens to be.
The only way things will change is if we find a way to hold politicians accountable because, elections sure aren't doing it. Maybe a recall procedure like the one in BC for Federal Politicians would be an option although, it'd have to be a little more viable than the one they use out here. I think a good start would be that it could be called if the electorate of a riding felt their MP was representing his parties interest more than theirs. This would go alongway in removing the power of the PMO that we've seen steadily increasing since the late sixties.
Thanos @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:04 pm
fifeboy fifeboy:
Thanos Thanos:
Like if you say something like anyone working in the oil & gas industry must hate clean air and water?
Or someone wanting to discuss oil must want to live in the Paleolithic...eh!
Probably voted for Hitler as well. And reads the Left Behind books and thinks it's all real. And is probably gay too.
andyt @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:21 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Nobody who understands politicians believes that any of these promises will come to fruition. Once politicians discovered that they couldn't be held accountable for anything they said while on the campaign trail or in office they haven't stopped lying to us ad nauseum and unfortunately people of both political persuasions seem to be hell bent on believing that "this time" it'll be different.
So give your heads a shake because, sitting here and debating the merits of one conniving liar over another isn't going to change the fact that they're still lying to you and are more interested about getting to or remaining at the public trough than helping any Canadian no matter what their social, moral or religious status happens to be.
The only way things will change is if we find a way to hold politicians accountable because, elections sure aren't doing it. Maybe a recall procedure like the one in BC for Federal Politicians would be an option although, it'd have to be a little more viable than the one they use out here. I think a good start would be that it could be called if the electorate of a riding felt their MP was representing his parties interest more than theirs. This would go alongway in removing the power of the PMO that we've seen steadily increasing since the late sixties.
So give your heads a shake because, sitting here and debating the merits of one conniving liar over another isn't going to change the fact that they're still lying to you and are more interested about getting to or remaining at the public trough than helping any Canadian no matter what their social, moral or religious status happens to be.
The only way things will change is if we find a way to hold politicians accountable because, elections sure aren't doing it. Maybe a recall procedure like the one in BC for Federal Politicians would be an option although, it'd have to be a little more viable than the one they use out here. I think a good start would be that it could be called if the electorate of a riding felt their MP was representing his parties interest more than theirs. This would go alongway in removing the power of the PMO that we've seen steadily increasing since the late sixties.
Seems like the wrong thread for this post, but whatever.
Pols are accountable - to the people who they think will elect them. It's not about the public trough either, because many could make more money outside of politics. I actually think they have good intentions, think they are doing good for the country, but politics is a dirty game and if they want to survive they have to play - because we as voters fall for it.
As for MP's representing people's interests - what you forget is that we don't have consensus on a lot of issues. Look at how differently people here view a given topic. A pol who I think might represent my interests, you might feel he's a complete sell out, and vice versa.
A different voting system than first past the post would have the makeup of the house be much more representative of Canadians. But, since there would be so many different directions they would be pulling in, it would be less effective than the term long dictatorships we have now. It's the same with recall - it would take a very special issue to galvanize enough voters to recall an MP. And if you make it too easy to recall, you'll just hamstring govt completely. Certainly you would not be happy with a multiple choice voting system, because the conservative side would never attain power again - Harper has 30% solid support at best.
What guys like yourself and most of CKA forget, is that you are to the right of most of Canada. You like to think of yourself as representing the middle, but you don't. That's why there's such an anti-Harper push in the country - 70% of it is to the left of him.
PluggyRug @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:48 pm
andyt andyt:
70% of it is to the left of him.
Only in Toronto...140% are to the left.
Freakinoldguy @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:53 pm
andyt andyt:
[Seems like the wrong thread for this post, but whatever.
What guys like yourself and most of CKA forget, is that you are to the right of most of Canada. You like to think of yourself as representing the middle, but you don't. That's why there's such an anti-Harper push in the country - 70% of it is to the left of him.
What guys like yourself and most of CKA forget, is that you are to the right of most of Canada. You like to think of yourself as representing the middle, but you don't. That's why there's such an anti-Harper push in the country - 70% of it is to the left of him.
You have zero positive proof of that other than your own bias because, flawed opinion polls and Rick Mercer man on the street interviews don't constitute fact and just because only 30% voted doesn't mean everyone who didn't vote hates Harper.
As for the supposed 70% of the population who apparently has HDS well, if he gets re-elected it'll be more because of his policies than his charisma, hair style, outrageous, impossible to keep promises or a split left vote which is a myth because if true would mean that we'd never have seen a Conservative Gov't.
But, since we're on the topic of right and left. I personally believe alot people are a mix of right and left ideologies which is why our society is hodgepodge of those ideals. So to try and label people as strictly right or left is somewhat incongruous. People vote Conservative, NDP or Liberal because of what their parents voted or, because those parties offer more of what they hold as essential to their beliefs but, you can be assured that if any of those parties decided to eliminate anything Canadians left or right feel as essential like health care and CPP, OAP, UI there'd be a revolution.
So now as per my post, we'll just have to sit and wait to see who is the most effective liar of the 3 Leaders because that person will likely be the one sitting in the PMO's office come Monday night.
herbie @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:33 pm
Ignorance?
Waitress tonight said she wasn't sure who she'd vote for. Her hubby works contracts at the sawmills. Mentioned our MP's name and that he came to our 'save the mills' rally, he supported appurtenance, fought against the softwood sellout deal, rallied against raw log exports and is firmly against the Enbridge pipeline. All points they support. That he supports a $15 minimum wage (She doesn't make that after 10-12 years there) and how he lobbied so that they got internet service years ago (the only non-native area that did under that program).
She answered she liked that. But could never vote NDP because they were 'screwups'.....
BTW appurtenance was a clause we had that said at least a certain percentage of the logs cut in an area must be milled in that area. The US says that's an illegal trade practice.
ShepherdsDog @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:54 pm
For Christ's sake 
That $15 an hour is only aimed at federal employees, and they stated that quite clearly. Besides which, how many federal employees do you know that only make $15 an hour? Minimum wage is covered by the provinces, not the federal government.
andyt @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:12 pm
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
andyt andyt:
[Seems like the wrong thread for this post, but whatever.
What guys like yourself and most of CKA forget, is that you are to the right of most of Canada. You like to think of yourself as representing the middle, but you don't. That's why there's such an anti-Harper push in the country - 70% of it is to the left of him.
What guys like yourself and most of CKA forget, is that you are to the right of most of Canada. You like to think of yourself as representing the middle, but you don't. That's why there's such an anti-Harper push in the country - 70% of it is to the left of him.
You have zero positive proof of that other than your own bias because, flawed opinion polls and Rick Mercer man on the street interviews don't constitute fact and just because only 30% voted doesn't mean everyone who didn't vote hates Harper.
L
Is this more of that unreported crime crap? Or just an inability to do math? I would suggest that of the people who didn't vote, at least as large a percentage are against him as of the people who did vote. You seem to be saying that there's this underground swell of support for him among people who did't vote, when it's much more likely that the non voters (the poor, the young, natives, immigrants) are even more solidly against him.
But keep reassuring yourself that you're not the minority, not the right wing if that makes you feel better.
I don't understand why the righties are so ashamed of being righties.
Thanos @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:22 pm
Not ashamed of anything as such but more genuinely tired and bored of being lied about and slandered by people like you.
andyt @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:28 pm
Awww, poor baby. Unlike your rants about the left, huh?
Thanos @ Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:37 pm
Just a general reaction to your patented mix of obnoxiousness and smarm.
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