A right to housing?
hwacker @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:08 pm
claraeve claraeve:
Adequate housing is a basic necessity of life. Without housing, people can't exercise their economic, political, social and cultural rights. In a country as prosperous as Canada, there's just NO JUSTIFICATION for severe poverty and homelessness.
A right to adequate housing means that everyone should have housing that is:
-affordable
-good quality, with plumbing, heat, electricity and safe drinking water
-accessible
-close to employment, healthcare, education and social services
-culturally appropriate
The right to adequate housing also means that:
-people should not be discriminated by landlords or other housing providers
-governments must allocate available resources to provide housing to those in need
-people should not be evicted without proper hearings and
-no eviction should be allowed to result in homelessness
Get the next boat to Cuba, you can live in the sand on the beach. Dreamer.
Some have confused the right to adequate housing with some sort of right to be given adequate housing.
The second list of points claraeve has given constitutes the actual rights to housing that Canadians should be guaranteed. I don't believe anyone has the 'right' to be given anything.
Where would the desire to prosper be if the government did everything for us, and provided us with everything we need?
Banff @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:51 pm
Yogi Yogi:
:evil: This 'right to be provided for' pisses me off sooo much. The only 'right' a person should have is the 'right to work hard and do for yourself'!Take responsibility and take control of your life and QUIT WHINING! The 'haves' are 'haves' because they worked for it.The help is available for anyone who wants it, but it takes dedication and HARD WORK!I'm all for giving a 'hand up' not a 'hand out'!
Before anyone jumps on me for 'being such a prick', I know from personal experience what I am talking about and how I come by my views.
It does take a lot of hard work and dedication to 'ones self'and those who are'nt willing to put in the time and effort can and should bloody well do without!.
Fair enough yogi and yes it does take alot of give to get but somewhere down the line the greatest percentage of people become attached to the tax payers social programs , its inevitable unless you're willing to shoot yourself to avoid becoming a burden .
SJ-24 @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:01 pm
The right to housing.............Bullshit. You have the right to die....and that's it. It's the only thing we are assured of in this life.
Yogi Yogi:
:evil: This 'right to be provided for' pisses me off sooo much. The only 'right' a person should have is the 'right to work hard and do for yourself'!Take responsibility and take control of your life and QUIT WHINING! The 'haves' are 'haves' because they worked for it.The help is available for anyone who wants it, but it takes dedication and HARD WORK!I'm all for giving a 'hand up' not a 'hand out'!
Before anyone jumps on me for 'being such a prick', I know from personal experience what I am talking about and how I come by my views.
It does take a lot of hard work and dedication to 'ones self'and those who are'nt willing to put in the time and effort can and should bloody well do without!.
Who learned you to think like that? Your family? Maybe your Mom cares. Everyone else just wants you to pay your taxes.
Taxes are graduated and that so, wild guess, the break even point of taxes and benefits in the present nanny state might be at the 40th percentile. This is to say 60 % of the population is on the dole, life long accounts. The vision think should be to improve on this, get productivity up, wage disparity down and everyone working at the best job they can do.
Banff @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:12 pm
SJ-24 SJ-24:
The right to housing.............Bullshit. You have the right to die....and that's it. It's the only thing we are assured of in this life.
unfortunately that is the truth but noone should be like that ...your mother didn't treat you that way and if you have children you don't treat them that way.
dubyah @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:32 pm
$1:
So what does everyone think of this idea?
Sounds absurd. Sounds like the death of a civilization.
Nah, don't bother working, peasants. Don't bother providing for yourselves.
The state will take care of you, and you can kiss all your real rights goodbye.
Give the state more and more power at our own peril, silly libtards.
We now have so many made-up rights that one narcissist's rights infringe upon those of another!
W.
dubyah @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:35 pm
$1:
Adequate housing is a basic necessity of life. Without housing, people can't exercise their economic, political, social and cultural rights. In a country as prosperous as Canada, there's just NO JUSTIFICATION for severe poverty and homelessness.
LOL. Canada is fucked with 'citizens' like this. No one is stopping you from taking some drug addicted, drunk bums into your own goddamned home with your own goddamned money!! It is not simply that you want to "help" people, you insist upon doing it with other people's money. "Liberals" simply do not believe in liberty. They need to change their moniker to something more appropriate like 'totalitarian.'
W.
Banff @ Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:00 am
well if land comes at too high of a cost and legislation overrides your pick for a parcel of land or to build a soddy beside your house with an outhouse ...
...sorry I'm trying not to laugh while I type ...
then I guess we are forcing the issue of housing being a right to some degree , because some people can afford a soddy while others can build a castle .
everyne knows seniors are taking huge portions out of the tax dollars including for housing .
The more we take away a persons right to have housing the more its needed as a right .
dubyah dubyah:
$1:
So what does everyone think of this idea?
Sounds absurd. Sounds like the death of a civilization.
W.
lol, sounds about right, well put. There's all these people that have no actual idea what they are talking about, the current cost of government say and will get into such things.
Are we talking -30 or +10 degree celcius? That make a big difference in how I feel about the right to shelter.
Do any of you even know any poor people? Assuming that poor people are lazy no-goods is just an ignorant stereotype. If you're poor, it must be your fault right? Those damn poor people, their only aim in life is to find a way to live for free, right? Can we please move beyond this simplistic understanding of people and the world for just a second? Yeah yeah yeah...ok, we GET IT. You're all really big on personal responsibility and a hard work ethic. I know that this may come as a shocker, but poor people value these things too. Why? Because they have a sense of human dignity, just like you.
claraeve claraeve:
You probably take these things for granted because you weren't born into povety or you've never experienced discrimination or the challenges that come with being poor.
Then the solution is to try to remove the limitations and preventions people face - There are undoubtedly challenges faced by the poor, and it's not as simple as some make it out to be, but charity isn't a right, and shouldn't be treated as such.
So how do we fix it in your opinion btw...you are correct in your assesment of the issue....in my opinion.
I would say the government is most definately responsible for removing unfair challenges people face that would cause their poverty, whatever that entails, and should go to greater lengths to do so - being born into a poor family is perhaps considered an 'unfair' challenge, so there should be provisions that they have reasonable means to be successful despite this.
Obviously any sort of unfair discrimination that would limit a person's ability to obtain adequate housing is unacceptable, so the government should continue to prevent this.
That being said, you can't examine housing without considering all the factors at play - income sources will obviously govern a person's ability to afford quality housing, for example, so that is perhaps the area to focus on. In other words, if the problem is that poor people can't afford houses, the logical problem to tackle is that people are poor, not to figure out how to cheapen housing. 'Big picture' examination is always, without exception, more effective than tackling these issues individually.
I do think we're going in that direction as is - it seems the biggest challenge people face is retaining hope, or courage. That is where charity, provided by the community, should come into play.
Probably not a direct and concise answer, but other than my personal experience with private housing charities, I have no experience in this matter.