Alberta Leader's Debate 2008
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:46 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Even if every seat in Edmonton and Calgary went entirely Liberal/NDP/WRA, they still wouldn't form a government, as there are more rural seats in Alberta than urban (Edmonton and Calgary only comprise 41 out of 83 seats, despite having more than 2/3 of Alberta's population). Yet another relic of the past...
Good gravy, I knew there was a bias towards the rural, but I never knew it was so severe.
Anybody have a link to those stats?
westmanguy @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:01 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_ge ... l_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
hurley_108 @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:23 pm
As a further note on the bias towards rural ridings, Calgary North West is the most populous riding with 60515 people. The least populous ridings are Dunvegan Central Peace with 23645 and Lesser Slave Lake with 26940. Now, as it happens, these two lean ridings BORDER EACH OTHER! We could stick them together, and they STILL wouldn't be the most populous riding! If this isn't blatant stacking the deck, I don't know what is.
hurley_108 @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:24 pm
mtbr mtbr:
hurley_108 hurley_108:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Even if every seat in Edmonton and Calgary went entirely Liberal/NDP/WRA, they still wouldn't form a government, as there are more rural seats in Alberta than urban (Edmonton and Calgary only comprise 41 out of 83 seats, despite having more than 2/3 of Alberta's population). Yet another relic of the past...
Good gravy, I knew there was a bias towards the rural, but I never knew it was so severe.
Anybody have a link to those stats?
Count them yourself. It's not rocket science.
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:25 pm
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2004#Central_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
bootlegga was wrong
wow that doesn't happen to often 
another one of his efforts to blame Ralph
hurley_108 @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:25 pm
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2004#Central_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
Sorry, no, there are 41 ridings covering the cities of Edmonton and Calgary. You fail at counting.
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:32 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108:
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2004#Central_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
Sorry, no, there are 41 ridings covering the cities of Edmonton and Calgary. You fail at counting.
I guess if you want to call Sherwood park and St Albert as rural....and not part of Edmonton
any others?
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:39 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108:
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2004#Central_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
Sorry, no, there are 41 ridings covering the cities of Edmonton and Calgary. You fail at counting.
22 + 23 = 45
back to the 2nd grade with ya.
hurley_108 @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:34 pm
mtbr mtbr:
22 + 23 = 45 back to the 2nd grade with ya.
back to the 2nd grade with ya.01 - DUNVEGAN-CENTRAL PEACE
02 - CALGARY-BOW
03 - CALGARY-BUFFALO
04 - CALGARY-CROSS
05 - CALGARY-CURRIE
06 - CALGARY-EAST
07 - CALGARY-EGMONT
08 - CALGARY-ELBOW
09 - CALGARY-FISH CREEK
10 - CALGARY-FOOTHILLS
11 - CALGARY-FORT
12 - CALGARY-GLENMORE
13 - CALGARY-HAYS
14 - CALGARY-LOUGHEED
15 - CALGARY-MACKAY
16 - CALGARY-MCCALL
17 - CALGARY-MONTROSE
18 - CALGARY-MOUNTAIN VIEW
19 - CALGARY-NORTH HILL
20 - CALGARY-NORTH WEST
21 - CALGARY-NOSE HILL
22 - CALGARY-SHAW
23 - CALGARY-VARSITY
24 - CALGARY-WEST
25 - EDMONTON-BEVERLY-CLAREVIEW
26 - EDMONTON-CALDER
27 - EDMONTON-CASTLE DOWNS
28 - EDMONTON-CENTRE
29 - EDMONTON-DECORE
30 - EDMONTON-ELLERSLIE
31 - EDMONTON-GLENORA
32 - EDMONTON-GOLD BAR
33 - EDMONTON-HIGHLANDS-NORWOOD
34 - EDMONTON-MANNING
35 - EDMONTON-MCCLUNG
36 - EDMONTON-MEADOWLARK
37 - EDMONTON-MILL CREEK
38 - EDMONTON-MILL WOODS
39 - EDMONTON-RIVERVIEW
40 - EDMONTON-RUTHERFORD
41 - EDMONTON-STRATHCONA
42 - EDMONTON-WHITEMUD
43 - AIRDRIE-CHESTERMERE
44 - ATHABASCA-REDWATER
45 - BANFF-COCHRANE
46 - BARRHEAD-MORINVILLE-WESTLOCK
47 - BATTLE RIVER-WAINWRIGHT
48 - BONNYVILLE-COLD LAKE
49 - CARDSTON-TABER-WARNER
50 - CYPRESS-MEDICINE HAT
51 - DRAYTON VALLEY-CALMAR
52 - DRUMHELLER-STETTLER
53 - FOOTHILLS-ROCKY VIEW
54 - FORT MCMURRAY-WOOD BUFFALO
55 - FORT SASKATCHEWAN-VEGREVILLE
56 - GRANDE PRAIRIE-SMOKY
57 - GRANDE PRAIRIE-WAPITI
58 - HIGHWOOD
59 - INNISFAIL-SYLVAN LAKE
60 - LAC LA BICHE-ST. PAUL
61 - LACOMBE-PONOKA
62 - LEDUC-BEAUMONT-DEVON
63 - LESSER SLAVE LAKE
64 - LETHBRIDGE-EAST
65 - LETHBRIDGE-WEST
66 - LITTLE BOW
67 - LIVINGSTONE-MACLEOD
68 - MEDICINE HAT
69 - OLDS-DIDSBURY-THREE HILLS
70 - PEACE RIVER
71 - RED DEER-NORTH
72 - RED DEER-SOUTH
73 - ROCKY MOUNTAIN HOUSE
74 - SHERWOOD PARK
75 - SPRUCE GROVE-STURGEON-ST. ALBERT
76 - ST. ALBERT
77 - STONY PLAIN
78 - STRATHCONA
79 - STRATHMORE-BROOKS
80 - VERMILION-LLOYDMINSTER
81 - WEST YELLOWHEAD
82 - WETASKIWIN-CAMROSE
83 - WHITECOURT-STE. ANNE
Calgary runs from 2 to 24; that's 23 ridings.
Edmonton runs from 25 to 42; that's 18 ridings.
23 + 18 = 41. Back to second grade yourself.
Now, in the interests of factual correctness, Edmonton is 730375 people and Calgary is 987905 people and Edmonton 730375 for a total of 1718280 while teh rest of Alberta is 1572080 people. So, the difference on Edmonton and Calgary alone is nowhere near 2/3 to 1/3. It's actually pretty even, if a tiny bit skewed.
Edmonton has a proportion of the population to exactly justify its 18 seats. Calgary is getting shortchanged to the tune of two seats - it should have 25. The rest of Alberta should have 40 as opposed to the 42 it already has.
So while Boot was in error on the magnitude of the problem, Calgary is, in fact, slightly underrepresented, Edmonton perfectly represented, and the rest of Alberta is overrepresented. See my post about Calgary North West, Dunvegan Central Peace and Lesser Slave Lake for dramatic proof of that.
hurley_108 @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:35 pm
By the by, this is my source of population numbers.
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:49 pm
so
74 - SHERWOOD PARK
75 - SPRUCE GROVE-STURGEON-ST. ALBERT
76 - ST. ALBERT
is not considered part of Edmonton?
and they're "rural ridings"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27th_Alber ... l_election
bootlegga @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:02 pm
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2004#Central_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
I didn't count suburban seats in either city (like Spruce Grove, Sherwood Park, Aridrie, etc), as most of them are firmly in the PC corner and likely will be in this election.
For the record, I said URBAN seats, not SUBURBAN...looks like MTBR needs to head back to second grade for some reading practice.
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:08 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
westmanguy westmanguy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2004#Central_Edmonton
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
45 seats for Edmonton and Calgary combined (83 seats total)
If you count on Wikipedia for Suburban/Central Caglary & Suburban/Central Edmonton thats what you get.
so its a slight majority bootlegga (for city seats)
I didn't count suburban seats in either city (like Spruce Grove, Sherwood Park, Aridrie, etc), as most of them are firmly in the PC corner and likely will be in this election.
For the record, I said URBAN seats, not SUBURBAN...looks like MTBR needs to head back to second grade for some reading practice.
You didn't count them because they vote PC
always trying to blame Ralph just like your erroneous post about family day
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... c&start=15
mtbr @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:13 pm
lily lily:
I've been to Sherwood Park. It didn't look like the 'burbs to me... more like the sticks.
Most of Edmonton is the "sticks"
hurley_108 @ Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:14 pm
mtbr mtbr:
so
74 - SHERWOOD PARK
75 - SPRUCE GROVE-STURGEON-ST. ALBERT
76 - ST. ALBERT
is not considered part of Edmonton?
and they're "rural ridings"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27th_Alber ... l_election
74 - SHERWOOD PARK
75 - SPRUCE GROVE-STURGEON-ST. ALBERT
76 - ST. ALBERT
is not considered part of Edmonton?
and they're "rural ridings"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27th_Alber ... l_election
No, they're not part of Edmonton. But Red Deer, Lethbridge and Medicine Hat aren't exactly rural either. Which city should we lump them onto?
The fact is that Edmonton and Calgary are large enough that they can be divided up into as many or as few ridings as are necessary to achieve a good representation by population. This has not been done in Calgary.